42 thoughts on “Did Behaviour Stealth Nerf Coldwind Farm Maps Again? – Dead by Daylight”
Did you also notice the shadow-buff for survivors being unhooked? The time between the unhook and the time you can actually damage the survivor has been artificially increased, but I didn't notice it in any patch notes. This appears to be for the purpose of preventing post-unhook M2s by killers like Pyramind Head, Vecna, and Dracula.
Before this ptb the maps got nerfed, specifically Thompson house and Rotten fields, the new shitty tiles being added to the farm maps in general too. They made Thompson house and Rotten fields smaller. Rotten fields is noticeably smaller and seems to have a slightly different shape. Again this is before the ptb came, current live patch.
On live I have had CW farms with only the new tiles and no gyms…. its pretty bad and why I prefer to avoid those maps after the few experiences of this now.
Another issue for me with coldwind is the light. I hated the day they made coldwind a day map that is bleached in sunlight. I sorely miss the night coldwind map. I much rather play the game map as killer and eat pallets all day long than deal with coldwind just because of how glaring it is.
gameplay for me is always, first chase get a 'pre-drop survivor' that drops pallets until 2-3 gens are done, and after there's no more pallets, they only run shack+main loop, maybe is time to make chases shorter, because is boring
I understand that the rng of map tiles keeps the game from getting too stale and really good survivors can "solve" the map, but maybe i think it might be time to consider having more fixed maps. Like how there's 5 versions of Badham, they should just make multiple presets of every map cause the maps being super survivor or killer sided and its basically randomized sucks.
There just going to make every map Haddonfeild eventually. Nothing but trash loops with unsafe pallets to "make it more interesting to play around" to steal a quote of there's.
How cool would it be if they had a dynamic weighting system? What if they measured the stats of how long survivors are able to stay in chase in a tile, how often they lose chase in a tile, and how often they can stealth in a tile while the killer is also in the tile, then weigh the value of those metrics and combine them to score each tile based on their usefulness. They could then set the game to generate maps based on the current strength of the tiles from recent player data to create dynamically evolving map sets as the community improves at running/killing at different tiles. I think that would help towards your issue of devs maybe perceiving some tiles to be stronger than they are
Hope this is just a mistake cause very few killers have chase trouble is predominantly map control that trips them up so this would just make everyone go down quicker. Yeah technically it would make it easier to generate pressure since you wont be in a minute long chase so you can just go patrol gens faster but noone plays survivor to do gens and run a killer for 30 seconds they want chases that test skill and mind games.
Back when Skull Merchant was released, along with Red Forest's graphical rework and the Shelter Woods update, they implemented this universal rule that makes mazetile types not repeat, which was already in some realms like Ormond, Yamaoka and Garden of Joy. This change affected over 20 maps and it was actually one of the best they have ever made regarding maps since it promoted variety along with some stability in RNG when under the right settings.
In this PTB, as Hens pointed out, the universal rule of not repeating mazetiles is not working, I confirmed 35 maps to be affected and the total estimated is 40 maps (but the odds to confirm the last few are so low that it is a time waster) out of the 53 that are in the game right now. For this reason, Coldwind is less likely to have the classic jungle gyms since on top of the other tiles you have to account for repeats of them (at the same time you could technically have only jungle gyms but the odds are against it since it is 1 out of 6 mazetile types in the realm).
To point out the elephant in the room, before the universal rule got implemented, Coldwind and Asylum already had their own unique rules (they were more stable RNG wise than MacMillan, Autohaven and Red Forest for that matter) and they were tight enough that they coexisted with the no repeats rule in their own way. They could still repeat mazetiles, not because they were bypassing the rule but because they have more mazetile spawns than types in the maps. The rules of the rest of realms were overwritten entirely instead. Currently it is only Asylum and Nostromo that can repeat mazetiles on live servers, Coldwind lost its old ruleset when they reworked Cowshed & Rancid and it assimilated the no repeats later on when they added the new tiles.
Have you seen the new cold wind tiles every patch? Behavior has continually over corrected multiple things on both sides. Not good for a already heavily mapped rng game
honestly i hope they fuck with map weights more in the future. hopefully we'll also see them start moving around guaranteed pallet structures on maps like Dead Dawg. Makes the game more dynamic.
Why are they so shit at coding/thinking, jesus fucking christ. Just add: If there is 0 jungle gyms reroll the map and try again If there are more than 3 jungly gyms reroll the map and try again
Not to every map, but on majority of maps this kind of fail save would work wonders.
So what you're saying is that if those tiles didn't exist, you would have had three jungle gyms on that map because of the equal weighting? That sounds crazy.
BVHR is actually the most braindead developer team ever, I do not understand why their solution to good survivors looping is cutting the maps in half and removing all of the pallets. The amount of times i have been getting map RNG with little to no pallets and looping structures that are essentially deadzones…
Coldwind RNG hasn’t been talked about enough so i’m glad it’s getting some discussion now. But even before the PTB they were ridiculously killer sided. So much so I often send myself there for an easy win.
I noticed the min i loaded in that it was smaller.. its not super drastic but its enough to see it instantly.. everything is becoming a shoe box like haddenfield with the doors kissing
I am legitimately confused as to what BHVR's end goal is with loops and tiles, it's like they're trying to appease the two types of "loopers" in the game. On one hand you have people who just want strong tiles but don't want them connecting to other strong tiles so the survivors can't just run the killer in circles on overly strong tiles. But on the other they're also trying to appease the players who like running the killers through strong loops and chaining the junk tiles together to make it to the next tile. Which is why they're adding a bunch of useless filler or trash loops which are designed to be "chained" together to waste time.
But then they're also trying to appease the killers who don't have strong anti-loop or chase power, by removing the overly strong tiles in favour of weaker ones, but also just add a bunch of trash in between the loops, which encourages the wastage of resources. Then on maps like Haddon Feild, they remove tiles and pallest completely, which means all the killer has to do is destroy all the pallets and the whole map is just a tiny deadzone.
I still feel the game would benefit from completely getting rid of the RNG generation of maps. Each map could have like 5 variants, but each one will always have the same set-up. If they ever have something come up on a map that needs re-balancing, they can change that one variant without affecting the other maps that are working fine.
Once again they prove that they are completely unable to make basic maps. By far the absolute worst aspect of this game is the horrible maps that they just don't ever fix the issues in. Just keeping making them worse.
This is actually my experience on the current live servers. Last 2 cold wind maps were Rancid Abattoir and no jungle gyms, only these new tiles. Like you stated this is anecdotal, but I think the "current live servers" version that was decently balanced you are referring two was a couple patches ago…
I know it's rose-tinted glasses, but I sure do miss 2019-2020 dbd as far as gameplay was concerned.
Unbalanced as hell, but I'd still take that over the more "competitive" balancing of today. The worst of the nonsense (having to dribble DS, no hook moris, etc.) was gone by that point.
Just boyo techs, bringing a mori for blendies, having a bad game and switching to omegablink nurse, and holding your breath when you heard huntress's lullaby until the first person got hit.
Somehow it was way more infuriating, but more goofy and fun at the same time.
Did you also notice the shadow-buff for survivors being unhooked?
The time between the unhook and the time you can actually damage the survivor has been artificially increased, but I didn't notice it in any patch notes. This appears to be for the purpose of preventing post-unhook M2s by killers like Pyramind Head, Vecna, and Dracula.
Safe pallet does not a good tile make.
I wanna call 1:38 these tiles Z L tiles, can we make that a thing? Z pallet and L window you know?
Before this ptb the maps got nerfed, specifically Thompson house and Rotten fields, the new shitty tiles being added to the farm maps in general too. They made Thompson house and Rotten fields smaller. Rotten fields is noticeably smaller and seems to have a slightly different shape. Again this is before the ptb came, current live patch.
Nerf farm further? So pure field of nothing in the middle of the map is not enough? This is how the try to avoid circular gameplay?
On live I have had CW farms with only the new tiles and no gyms…. its pretty bad and why I prefer to avoid those maps after the few experiences of this now.
Another issue for me with coldwind is the light. I hated the day they made coldwind a day map that is bleached in sunlight. I sorely miss the night coldwind map. I much rather play the game map as killer and eat pallets all day long than deal with coldwind just because of how glaring it is.
DBD is slowly turning into holding the killers’ hand and I’ll die on that hill
gameplay for me is always, first chase get a 'pre-drop survivor' that drops pallets until 2-3 gens are done, and after there's no more pallets, they only run shack+main loop, maybe is time to make chases shorter, because is boring
They will phase out traditional jungle gyms and this new tile will take its place
I understand that the rng of map tiles keeps the game from getting too stale and really good survivors can "solve" the map, but maybe i think it might be time to consider having more fixed maps. Like how there's 5 versions of Badham, they should just make multiple presets of every map cause the maps being super survivor or killer sided and its basically randomized sucks.
There just going to make every map Haddonfeild eventually. Nothing but trash loops with unsafe pallets to "make it more interesting to play around" to steal a quote of there's.
How cool would it be if they had a dynamic weighting system? What if they measured the stats of how long survivors are able to stay in chase in a tile, how often they lose chase in a tile, and how often they can stealth in a tile while the killer is also in the tile, then weigh the value of those metrics and combine them to score each tile based on their usefulness. They could then set the game to generate maps based on the current strength of the tiles from recent player data to create dynamically evolving map sets as the community improves at running/killing at different tiles. I think that would help towards your issue of devs maybe perceiving some tiles to be stronger than they are
I've played on a Borgo a few times this patch and like 50% of the map seems to be deadzones. Just my experience
BHVR’s weird ass new tiles are so bad and their insistance on keeping them is really frustrating
Tiles should be less safe. Nothing wrong with survivors having to mindgame and not be guaranteed safe.
Hope this is just a mistake cause very few killers have chase trouble is predominantly map control that trips them up so this would just make everyone go down quicker. Yeah technically it would make it easier to generate pressure since you wont be in a minute long chase so you can just go patrol gens faster but noone plays survivor to do gens and run a killer for 30 seconds they want chases that test skill and mind games.
Yup and Lights Out is still 💩
Back when Skull Merchant was released, along with Red Forest's graphical rework and the Shelter Woods update, they implemented this universal rule that makes mazetile types not repeat, which was already in some realms like Ormond, Yamaoka and Garden of Joy. This change affected over 20 maps and it was actually one of the best they have ever made regarding maps since it promoted variety along with some stability in RNG when under the right settings.
In this PTB, as Hens pointed out, the universal rule of not repeating mazetiles is not working, I confirmed 35 maps to be affected and the total estimated is 40 maps (but the odds to confirm the last few are so low that it is a time waster) out of the 53 that are in the game right now. For this reason, Coldwind is less likely to have the classic jungle gyms since on top of the other tiles you have to account for repeats of them (at the same time you could technically have only jungle gyms but the odds are against it since it is 1 out of 6 mazetile types in the realm).
To point out the elephant in the room, before the universal rule got implemented, Coldwind and Asylum already had their own unique rules (they were more stable RNG wise than MacMillan, Autohaven and Red Forest for that matter) and they were tight enough that they coexisted with the no repeats rule in their own way. They could still repeat mazetiles, not because they were bypassing the rule but because they have more mazetile spawns than types in the maps. The rules of the rest of realms were overwritten entirely instead. Currently it is only Asylum and Nostromo that can repeat mazetiles on live servers, Coldwind lost its old ruleset when they reworked Cowshed & Rancid and it assimilated the no repeats later on when they added the new tiles.
ive found it just as bad on live ngl, every single fucking tile is this new tile/
Have you seen the new cold wind tiles every patch? Behavior has continually over corrected multiple things on both sides. Not good for a already heavily mapped rng game
honestly i hope they fuck with map weights more in the future. hopefully we'll also see them start moving around guaranteed pallet structures on maps like Dead Dawg. Makes the game more dynamic.
Why are they so shit at coding/thinking, jesus fucking christ.
Just add:
If there is 0 jungle gyms reroll the map and try again
If there are more than 3 jungly gyms reroll the map and try again
Not to every map, but on majority of maps this kind of fail save would work wonders.
Thompson House is already the most killer sided map, now its like impossible to lose even if you are playing PTB SM
So what you're saying is that if those tiles didn't exist, you would have had three jungle gyms on that map because of the equal weighting? That sounds crazy.
empty fields is op what do you mean, 6 pallets is all you need
BVHR is actually the most braindead developer team ever, I do not understand why their solution to good survivors looping is cutting the maps in half and removing all of the pallets. The amount of times i have been getting map RNG with little to no pallets and looping structures that are essentially deadzones…
Please remove the T-tiles, Behavior. I can’t even bear eating a T-bone steak since.
Coldwind RNG hasn’t been talked about enough so i’m glad it’s getting some discussion now. But even before the PTB they were ridiculously killer sided. So much so I often send myself there for an easy win.
Isn't this a good thing? Majority of the maps in the game are survivor sided if not all if you play the C through D killers
I noticed the min i loaded in that it was smaller.. its not super drastic but its enough to see it instantly.. everything is becoming a shoe box like haddenfield with the doors kissing
even now before ptb maps are small as hell, even the game map is smaller.
Looking slick, Scott.
bhvr being a flop as per usual
Regulated RNG is always the best way to have RNG.
I am legitimately confused as to what BHVR's end goal is with loops and tiles, it's like they're trying to appease the two types of "loopers" in the game. On one hand you have people who just want strong tiles but don't want them connecting to other strong tiles so the survivors can't just run the killer in circles on overly strong tiles. But on the other they're also trying to appease the players who like running the killers through strong loops and chaining the junk tiles together to make it to the next tile. Which is why they're adding a bunch of useless filler or trash loops which are designed to be "chained" together to waste time.
But then they're also trying to appease the killers who don't have strong anti-loop or chase power, by removing the overly strong tiles in favour of weaker ones, but also just add a bunch of trash in between the loops, which encourages the wastage of resources. Then on maps like Haddon Feild, they remove tiles and pallest completely, which means all the killer has to do is destroy all the pallets and the whole map is just a tiny deadzone.
I still feel the game would benefit from completely getting rid of the RNG generation of maps. Each map could have like 5 variants, but each one will always have the same set-up. If they ever have something come up on a map that needs re-balancing, they can change that one variant without affecting the other maps that are working fine.
yeah the only good realms left are autohaven and mcmillan and even mcmillan been feeling weird lately
Once again they prove that they are completely unable to make basic maps. By far the absolute worst aspect of this game is the horrible maps that they just don't ever fix the issues in. Just keeping making them worse.
This is actually my experience on the current live servers. Last 2 cold wind maps were Rancid Abattoir and no jungle gyms, only these new tiles. Like you stated this is anecdotal, but I think the "current live servers" version that was decently balanced you are referring two was a couple patches ago…
Game is so survivor sided anyway. Glad killer mains get any help these days. I play both equally btw.
I know it's rose-tinted glasses, but I sure do miss 2019-2020 dbd as far as gameplay was concerned.
Unbalanced as hell, but I'd still take that over the more "competitive" balancing of today. The worst of the nonsense (having to dribble DS, no hook moris, etc.) was gone by that point.
Just boyo techs, bringing a mori for blendies, having a bad game and switching to omegablink nurse, and holding your breath when you heard huntress's lullaby until the first person got hit.
Somehow it was way more
infuriating, but more goofy and fun at the same time.