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Bit of a long comment so in summary: It is up to the survivors whether I tunnel or not. – I try not to tunnel people as killer even when I need the pressure. If someone does something dumb like run back into me I’ll slug and leave it to the team to pick them up. In rare cases survivors try to take aggro on death hook and I either refuse to hit them or if they’re being annoying then I’ll kill them.
I would rather not get any kills than get them by tunneling. Mind you, my version of tunneling is finding someone at the beginning of the match with no gens done and only going after that person until they die. That's ruining someone's game experience and I was rasied better than that. People can say "it's just a game, don't take it so seriously," but isn't the killer taking it seriously by only focusing on that one person? You can't have it both ways.
Oh, if someone farms a teammate off the hook? Kill them. Tunnel, whatever. They deserve it. Please don't punish the person farmed who did nothing wrong. I hate seeing bad or sandbagging teammates being the ones who survive.
to be fair when it comes to body blocking, taking a hit, and leaving, I know the exact mentality people who do this have because I also do this (albeit in IDV since I've taken a DBD break). The reason a lot of us won't commit to it until we go down is because you can and will be punished for it. If a killer is intent on tunneling someone dead on hook you going down isn't going to do anything but give the killer even more pressure because chances are your teammate will go down fast, die and then the killer immediately has another surv on hook which is bad depending on how many gens are left.
Plus, not a lot of solo queue players are going to run perks to avoid this or support their teammates so it makes it even harder to commit to body blocking like that. Chances are, your remaining teammates decide to sell you and crank out the remaining gens and try to go for a draw which is even harder to do with only two survivors left.
Since you’ve opened the discussion, I want to say that anyone that admits to being tunneled “every game” or frequently, is exposing themselves. I’ll see often in discussions when survivor streamers or players talk about tunneling. I play survivor frequently enough to know that if you are being tunneled frequently, you’re actually bad. This isn’t even an ego thing because this happened to me when I switched from only playing killer two years ago to playing both roles since then. I spam matches of survivor to get challenges done & to stack cakes with friends. I don’t think my chases are particularly exceptional like I’m not a comp survivor not even close- but I’m certainly capable enough to be a nuisance in chase in comparison to the average survivor. I’m not particular reliant on a specific chase loadout either as my build tends to lean towards altruism or late game. The problem is majority of survivors don’t understand how to stall for time in chase beyond pre-dropping or relying on crutch perks to extend chase time. If you’re someone that NEEDS Lithe in every chase vs pub killers, you’ll collapse against a Killer with an exhaustion perk or addon for example. It isn’t even an issue of mechanics it’s just that most survivors lack the proper game/map/tile knowledge or mismanage resources.
——— Yall better NOT misinterpret this as me saying that “survivors are the only ones who play bad”. Tunneling won’t cease to be simply because players try to reinterpret a strategy into a moral panic. It’s part of the game and it’s culture so your best course of action is to prepare for it. Tunneling at its core is a 1v1 CHASE with a potential win condition; escaping. Formal 1v1s are all about lasting in chase the longest but in a public match you have a chance of escaping and if it doesn’t happen, your goal should be to hit a personal record for time. Outside of a few extreme outliers, you should be able to last enough in chase to help your teammates get out. And if getting chased for that long upsets you, I think you don’t actually like playing Dead by Daylight. The game doesn’t owe you a guaranteed escape.
Killers are not Dungeon Masters from tabletop RPGs to try to make everyone have fun. Tunnelling is part of the rules of the game. I basically play 50/50, and when I'm tunnelled, I have to deal with it, learn from my mistakes and improve my looping and positioning.
I mean, it will be stupid or overwhelmingly kind if the killer doesn't punish survivor's mistakes. I am always greatful if the killer decides not to tunnel me when i get unhooked in front of their face, especially if I take a hit for the unhooker.
Killer can do whatever they want it doesn't matter a good Survivor team can counter Pretty much anything Even tunneling that's easy lol People are just bad at the Game
I played against a Xeno recently who proxied and ended up tunneling me out. My duo said during this, "Wow dude, playing like this during an event?" But I looked up and saw we had 2 gens left and the Xeno had what, 4 hooks total? Maybe even 3. I died fairly quickly and had 2 thoughts – 1, different game if I had OTR, 2, I just played against MrHeadache! That was cool. I knew it was you from the crazy hits over obstacles. Why my pitiful survivor play ended up in your lobby I'll never know, but it was cool.
When I was getting tunneled often I threw on max protection and tried to learn from the chases as much as I could. My team won more games and I got better faster. I'd add that to the rec list.
If the survivor team is really good, killer can't technically tunnel So there you go, case Close lol Get good No need to ramble about it anymore
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I haven't even gotten a chance to learn the maps without being steamrolled, other than the western one. Endless back to back camping or meta perk killers.
I got tunneled in a match last night 'cause my "teammates" where unhooking me mere seconds after the Killer hooked me. I was definitely more mad at them than the Killer.
I never give people basekit endurance protection hits, especially if you do that shit.
I remember a recent game in which one survivor was on point with the flashlights saves, after the fourth ot fifth time i decided to tunnel it out of the game at 2 gens, the others survivor escaped and in the after game chat, he raged at me for playing unfun, for tunneling him out and all the wonderful stuff that survivors says when they are out of the game. The only thing i could say is what else did he expect? He was clearly the strongest player and if i wanted any chance of getting at least 1k that was the only option, but i was the bad player for trying to win the game
Imo tunneling is the same as gen rushing. Sometimes it's just want ya gotta do. Unlike survivor it can be sometimes infinitely harder to find a surv vs a survivor finding a gen.
I used to do what you said about following a survivor and taking not just a hit but a down for them, but I don't do that anymore. Simple reason: killers who are tunneling that hard don't give a fuck. If I get hit twice and go down, you know what happens 99% of the time? They leave me on the ground and resume tunneling. Now not only is one of us being tunneled out, but I need to have someone come rescue me or pick me up. Usually pick me up because a killer who tunnels that hard often also has no problems slugging.
I'll do it IF I have Unbreakable. Otherwise, I'll take a hit and then go work on gens, preferably gens near where the chase is happening.
only 1 problem about taking aggro bro, pain res/pop meta.
I downed a sheva after 1-2 gen chase and then hooked her. I wasnt 20 metres from the hook when I got the unhook notification so i went back. Tried to go for the unhooker and sheva body blocked the hit. So I either had to run the unhooker for 2 health states or go for the sheva for 1. So I went for the sheva again and downed her and hooked her. I went away from hook to the oppossite side of the map and then decided to go back when i seen the same survivor go for the unhook. I got there just as she unhooked the sheva and sheva body blocked for a second time, when I went for the unhooker. I said to myself you haven't learned your lesson yet and downed her and killed her. Only to be met with why did you tunnel? Your boring, gg ez. Even though I killed all the survivors and no one escaped.
The thing that upsets me the most is that both sides feel the need to sweat. Sweating makes the game so aggravating at times and I think tunneling is a byproduct of the bad balance choices of the dev team. Most of the time when I get tunneled, it's because my team let me down and is abusing distortion to hide unproductively.
Yes!!! I agree… save people when the killer has left. I’ve been in soloQ matches where it goes left because survivors don’t wait for the killer to leave to unhook. when I play killer they just don’t wait either so it’s l hit them and then hit the unhook person so they won’t stay (or at least they shouldn’t) around to unhook the freshly downed person.
tunneling is a blight, now ur tunneling might be different but its the same thing no matter how it is, compared to the people tunneling at 5 gens to u tunneling at one, this hatred towards it will always exist, for as long as tunneling exists malice begets more malice, now u might not be showing these people malice but others do severely
a majority of peoples games are them or someone else being tunneled out, so they have been effected by other matches and other killer players malice, then they push that malice then onto you,
then ofc u also have to factor in oh say i unhook the person, the killer instantly comes back to hook they didnt even go and check a gen, and i could try to take aggro they would down me and keep me slugged and continue to go after the other person, now u might not do this but alot of killers do,
tunneling is something the devs need to deal with or else they will start finding it realy hard to bring new players in and keep players interested into the game,
oh all these anti tunneling perks that are nice to have well good luck and get fucked new players u dont have access to them might as well pump hundreds of hours and try to get them,
ironically this fact caused me 2 baby survivor friends quit the game and not even bothering to try it because they are getting tunneled out constantly
hell i even saw a match they played they where tunneled out due to a random fucking nea having balance landing was their excuse and they where a 2500 hour killer player prestige 100 pryamid head, and these baby survivors only had under 100 hours
I try to save teamates getting tunnled. Most of the time ends with me dying on hook. First hook stage. Solo que is fun
I would have to say that in my opinion hook trading is by far more annoying than tunneling. Tunneling can be sort of prevented. Hook trading cannot. It gives the killer free pressure just for being near the hook/camping.
I get tunneled every game for ONLY being a p100 on kick at 5 gens…… love this awful homophobic, racist, sexist community so much. They then proceed to harass me in my own chat. Calling me trash, I suck, people who stream on kick should kill them self etc…
Just how a toxic trans streamer acts out named Yogirlkillz on twitch and kick. He does this all the time and he goes on his Twitter to bitch a out it to play the victim on stop daily to look innocent.
Good ol' survivor-induced tunneling/camping. Let's hope more survivors will recognize it when it happens
not to mention that theres no reason for killers to NOT tunnel; by all accounts it is the optimal way to play. i as a killer main should not have to cater to survivors just so they dont piss their pants in post game chat
1:42 wish many think like that, always wait a bit longer sometimes do gen or wait until Killer find someone else
A big obstacle survivors have to overcome is peer pressure; they don't want to leave the guy on hook and feel like a jerk because that guy can't play the video game. But sitting on a hook is one of the safest positions a survivor can be in. I see it as similar to a respawn timer in other games; they got caught and went down, so they're taking a little break.
I get it; DBD can be frustrating for everyone. Solo queue teammates can be unpredictable. But if you're frequently struggling and having stressful matches, you're likely making mistakes that put you in those bad situations.
Here are my biggest tips for survivors to address mistakes I see constantly. Even by P100 players with thousands of hours on record.
1. If the killer is camping and won't chase you, you have 3 options; get on gens, trade yourself for the person on hook, or coordinate with another survivor for the unhook. Do NOT just sit there staring at the killer, because that just makes their camp more successful.
2. Healing under hook is very risky. Sometimes it's worth taking that risk, but do not be surprised if the killer comes back to interrupt you. That is what they're supposed to do. It is why they get a big loud noise notification on every unhook.
3. You will not get better in chase from just playing the game casually. You need to read guides, watch videos, learn mind games and the correct way to run tiles. The in-game learning resources are scarce, and skill in other games does not translate well to DBD. Don't let yourself be carried by your perks, because you will eventually hit a wall where killers are good in chase and you're not, and the game will feel unplayable. This goes for killers, too.
People need to know counter play or have better judgment calls.
What i don't like is hard tunneling.
Not for win only for make your experience miserable one example:
A Wesker (in a nutshell) got me very early 1min chase in RCPD, he hook me at 5 gen and go to pain gen +40m away he chase another Surv and hit him right after the hit my mate unhook, he immediately let her go and run to hook, we saw that.
My mate first run away and realise, he wan't me at 5 gen so he gave me a protection hit and i loop him for 2 gens.
Second time my mate wait longer he chase another Surv downed him +30m away and after i got unhook he let her slugg and running to me i loop him with protection hit another 2 gens one random even let him downed, but he refuse to pick him up, all my team escape. (1k)
I could ask him why but i just wish him a nice day.
This happen im not lying 3 times in a row got frustated and close the game (my recommendation)
This blood event bring the worst player on both side for no reason.
There is NO TUNNELING in DBD!!!
It's a stupid term coined by entitled survivors.
So I am supposed to go after different survivor every time, letting them reset and finish all 5 gens in my face while everyone is hooked 2 times and all 4 escape!?
NICE LOGIC 😀
btw, I am a survivor main, so yes, I am actually on the killers' side on this one!
Survivor should body block tile the go down
the video, slugging the survivor and continuing tunnelling and winning.
Why I use Borrowed Time XD
Tunneling is the logical answer to survivors being able to heal infinitely.
BK + SIS/SC is OP as it removes pressure from k…
I like the video… But the one thing that messes with me is that yes, I do agree that those who make mistakes should be punished for it… It also helps them learn, but at the same time, when a survivor saves someone from the hook and then runs off and doesn't take a protection hit for them, and you tunnel the guy who was unhooked, the person who didn't make a mistake is getting punished for someone elses action, and the one who didn't take a protection hit more than likely just won't care enough to even learn what they did wrong… This one always messed with me so I always focused on the one who got the unhook if I was there. Probably why I suck as killer, but I'm someone who cares about the other players enjoyment more than for myself. Also why I just don't play killer since it's very hard to be a good killer and play in a fun way.
I go after whoever i see when i play killer…sometimes people just get unlucky and get tunneled…oh well i dont cry about it when im survivor
Interesting, so killers have catch up tools like tunneling slugging and camping … what are the survivor catch up tools?
sometimes the situation calls for it. Sometimes people do it to get ahead early and see if the survivors will all start following the chase. sometimes a survivor makes themselves a target (you know what i mean 😉 ) regardless, its a playstyle and part of the game. can it be annoying from the survivor side, sure. but not worth anyone whining about in end game or on social media or god knows wherelse.
I just wanted to say you’re my favorite dbd content creator I love watching all your videos and it has inspired me to make a video of my own on dbd
Not related to the video, but have you tried Acidic Blood in the recent patch?
I can't tell if it was shadow buffed or just bugged, but getting burned out of Crawler mode doesn't deactivate it anymore so you can get injuries/deep wounds while out of Crawler mode.
Even then I doubt it'll make it any more useful, just unsure if it's intended behaviour or not.
Like I get that, but tunneling the person who got unhooked early doesnt punish the person who made the mistake, it just takes advantage of the mistake. I cant refuse an unhook just because the killer is close, i can wave my arms but thats not effective communication, they could take that as "hurry up" not "leave me alone". As someone who plays mostly solos i dont like getting hooked bc i cant control when ill get unhooked.
Ive seen some comments about hook being safest place a survivor can be, thats just not true with bad teammates. With bad teammates getting hooked is a death sentence.
Even with the new anticamp do you know how many times ive been hooked and faced with the timer paused bc three randos are urban evading around, solos can feel like a whole different kind of 4v1.
These arguments arent survivors vs killers its we just cant have nice things at all.
Bruh, in your own video you have in the background, you ignored an injured person and went straight for the person who was just freshly off the hook. You no longer have stake in this conversation by default.
So then my mistake was getting unhooked by my teammate. Which is technically out of my control. Im not gonna pretend that tunneling isn’t sometimes necessary but I think there should be better options to punish someone for playing this way. I want to actually hurt a killer for going out of his way to stay on me. While there are some perks that aid this, they can still be mitigated by the person tunneling depending on who or how they play. Ive had a huntress let me get unhooked just so she could hit me with a hatchet as i get off to disable off the record immediately. Again, not really the biggest issue ever, but it definitely sucks and usually just feels bad.
Honestly when i play killer i just go for who every i see and if that happens to be the same guy well tuff luck. I found you faster then others or you suck at hiding or you walked in my line of sight at the wrong time. What am getting at is, sometime your just unlucky and at the wrong spot and your the weakest link un that time.