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Reacting to Hate & Discussing Dead by Daylight Boycott
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About me: My name is Cahla (pronounced Kayla) but I go by my nickname Cahlaflour. I’m a creator and Twitch streamer. You can watch me live Monday – Friday at 1pm Pacific on my channel. I play things like Dead By Daylight, Just Chatting, horror games, Apex Legends and new releases like Fall Guys or Among Us!
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This must’ve been so stressful! But you did really well 😄
I don't understand why you got hate on your take Cahla. You said the whole truth and the people who are a part of this boycott need to consider a few things:
If I remember correctly, there was a Killer boycott way back when. It was during the time when the game wasn't as successful and didn't have such a big playerbase (in fact, mods on forums genuinely gave warnings for supporting this or bringing it up). That's where the problem with this current "boycott" lies. This game is insanely huge now and hits around like 70 – 80k players on Steam. Many people in this game are casual players and to be honest, a boycott consisting of just 100 – 1000 people is really not going to work.
I want DBD to do well just as much as Cahla and as much as the next person. I know that this game sometimes really sucks. I, too, hate playing against certain perks / killers / mechanics and the devs are very VERY disconnected from the community, but a boycott is literally not going to work. That being said, I'm not saying to completely stop caring about the game.
Thank you Cahla for showing the children what's right and addressing what REALLY needs to be done because you have a much louder voice and this coming from you is a good thing (at the end of the day, there's a good chance it might reach the devs). Prioritize health, state of console and stop trying to stuff new DLCs in our faces when the game is unfortunately in shambles. We have enough content, now fix it please.
I think it’s just a game, so a boycott over a game is a tad much.
Hi cahla i do live and was born and raised in montreal thats for starters lol secondly i agree with the NDA situation and the fact that the private forums are ment to be private not everything needs to be for the public eye i agree its just that we as casual players find it excruciating to play a game that has so many problems and these problems keep building up and alot of the issues have been in the game for a long time and has been brought to their attention through surveys and public forums also the ptb has gotten alot of feedback as well so i guess for us its normal to be upset and frustrated that a game is nearly of not unplayable specially on console i do agree that the anger should never be directed at anyone in specific and i guess with emotions and so forth seeing that your the closest person to the devs i guess alot of us directed our anger at you in which i want to apologize for my end in my anger towards you you are and seem like an intelligent kind caring lady and i completely understand with business you have to remain constructive and professional which works with every business your not responsible for the devs decisions and i agree that you want like everyone else this game to operate at full capacity or at least near full due to the fact this is your lively hood we as a community in its whole feel compelled to voice our opinions but alot of us do it in not so constructive ways and some are more realistic at the end of the day we all want the same thing we just word it differently so i want to thank you for explaining your side of things in grave detail which im a detailed oriented person i appreciate you taking the time to do so thank you and much respect to you thank you for doing what you do and representing a game we all love and want to succeed i apologize again cahla i subbed you to show support keep up the good work alot of us know you do your best its all we can do so thank you have a blessed day 😊❤️
Cahla, WOW. this video. SO GOOD. very well articulated (which is not a surprise obviouslyyyy). You touched on every point and made excellent points for each. We do want the same thing!! and it's far more important to work on it TOGETHER. so proud!
I really hope that this helps people take a step back, settle down to catch their breath and say "okay, what can we all agree on that needs help." and start creating the conversation about how things can be fixed, instead of the pitchforks and torches that we as humans just keep defaulting to all the time. You did very well Calha. Well spoken, well versed, well articulated.
I know you were debating on making this video, and stressed about the reaction this would bring, but for how well put as it is, I hope this begins conversations and the mob mentality gets put away. I'm really glad you did this!
The way she addresed this was relly good. Well done.
Yeah, I did notice that most of the hate comments, were in relation to your fog whisperer status. I think it's understandable for people to think you are biased, especially considering they didn't know what being a fog whisperer actually meant (which is unfortunate) or if they were somewhat new. Maybe this won't change and they'll still think "Oh she will always defend them because she wants to keep the free cosmetics and DLC". I'm glad you explained what being a FG actually is. It's the same with other communities, EA has the Game Changers program for The Sims 4, and they get the same amount of heat.
Absolutely agree with the spacing out chapters more. I'd be happy with getting a new chapter every 5 or 6 months if it meant the game ran more smoothly. It would seemingly give them more time for patches and other fixes.
Great vid, and I agree with practically everything. I thank DBD for being the avenue that introduced me to the people I've met while playing the game, and I hope BHVR prioritizes the health of it over new releases and cosmetics. I haven't played a ton of killer games because too many stutters start to give me a headache.
This is extremely well said and the fly by nighter's really need to go watch the original stream for the full context of your remarks.
Show me both where someone claimed that you didn't care about the game and someone saying you were being paid off by BeHavior. I know I consistently mentioned yours status as a fog whisperer but never did I say you were being paid off or that you don't care about the game. You said it yourself, it's with every company, you can't just support something like a boycott against someone you're partnered with, but it does explain why you'd be so against a boycott to the point of not even considering it. No one claimed they didn't care about dbd, just that they're not allowed to speak as freely as other streamers else they lose their status. I know I don't look at Otz's opinions and immediately ignore them just because he's a fog whisperer.
I saw many comments and none of them said you were paid off or didn't care about the game, which means either people got more aggressive after I left, they were hidden, or you're exaggerating. A lot of them were much more polite than I and I never even directly insulted you in my arguments. The problem doesn't lie in that you're a fog whisperer, but that your solution was completely uncontrollable from a consumer. Competition isn't something a consumer can choose to exist, we can try to support it but that's the best we can do. On the other hand, a boycott would show the devs that DBD is sitll their only source of money and they can't just become lazy when there's no competition. It wouldn't be a permanent fix but it'd be a lot better than waiting for something that might never come. Additionally, your attitude was horrendous towards the boycott and those that supported it, you were very much mocking and insulting the boycott, so you really can't act like the more aggressive responses were unjustified. You didn't come in asking for a debate, you said the boycott was wrong and you're right to sum it up so obviously there'd be more people being aggressive in response.
Another problem is your lack of statistics, you only used stream and reddit as evidence in your past video (both of which didn't properly represent the boycott). No showing the comment quoting you, no evidence of those making the claims mentioned previously. I'm writing this while watching the video so it's gonna be jumping around. The problem that lies with the fog whisperers conversation with the devs is exactly because it's private, it shows that nothing is changing. We're making no progress either way, the patch notes are consistently bad. So it doesn't seem like much of a change being made. So if you're claiming that we misunderstood the video when you didn't even know what you're talking about when it comes to the boycott. It's no spending money on the game till the next chapter, simple. Your argument was that competition would be better but yet we have no control of the matter, but then trashed on the boycott. I'll mention this a lot because you skimmed over it incredibly quickly, you trashed on the boycott, there is no arguing about this. It doesn't matter if a company gets offended over a boycott, we're not supposed to be holding their hand in this. A boycott is a forceful show from the consumer that the provider is not doing well enough to be satisified. I talked about this before, it is literally "speaking with their wallet," both streamers, youtubers, and just average players have been complaining for years and it wasn't even discussed by the devs.
Yes, the devs have the final choice in the matter, but they're gonna give more care to the choices if they realize that their choices are causing people to get increasingly more aggressive. The major problem with the UI example is that it's incredibly easy to fix instead of the problems wanting to be solved by this boycott. The very same reddit post you're trashing on lists exactly what you're complaining about. The reddit goes through a list of what is wrong with the game (while clearly biased, it still lists a lot of the problems). You've already mentioned that a lot of boycotts have been attempted in the past and none have worked, so your point that boycotts would be a lot more common simply isn't likely. BeHavior has said plenty of things about what they're planning on doing, and they haven't done a lot of it. They mentioned making a trial warmup and that was never even talked about again, they said they were gonna fix console years ago and nothing happened. Taking BeHavior at their word just isn't wise anymore.
We're under agreement that dbd needs an operation health, I just think a boycott would speed up the process and make them realize they need to priortize fixing the game instead of releasing chapters and making it look shiny. You keep referencing that if we watched your streams we would understand, I believe that argument is poor. You chose to upload the clip, each video respresents yourself and if you're not careful with a controversial topic and decide to just upload a clip from a stream that doesn't very crudely trashes on one side then that's your fault for not thinking it over. Yes, you acknowledged that only mentioning a competitor as a solution was problematic, going back to my previous statement, you chose this clip to represent your stance on the matter, if you only mention competition then that's your official argument, which was poor and flawed. Once again going back to the reddit post with the numbers (it's already spread to multiple other platforms), you also did minimize it in your previous video.
I'll sum it up with this, I wasn't quick to flame. I watched your whole video without commenting then proceeded to post my comments. I believe that the solutions you provided were idealistic at best (both waiting for competition and supporting it as well as just trying to talk to the devs) and a boycott while a more forceful method would be more likely to work in my eyes. What you did was trash on the boycott, I don't care if you try to excuse it by saying your viewers were hyping you up, what you did was mocking and insult the boycott. So trying to have this whole "we all want this same thing, let's be nice and not insult one another" comes off as incredibly hyprocritical to me. Yes I did write an entire essay just as a response and it's likely not structured well as I wrote while typing. That doesn't mean I wasn't listening to the video, just that it'd save more time.
So extra forums, so it doesn't matter if non fogwishperes complain and highlight bugs because they don't care, how many fogs are playing on console and can speak for that Plattform?
Now even fogwishperer tells us to play something else.
BHVR can't respond to a boycott? Even tho the boycott clearly states what it wants? What are you talking about?
Because the boycott only is on reddit! She says while having Videos on that topic on YouTube. Face-palm!
Last edit: all I hear is: we have conversations. But when I have convos with the community, they all say this shit just is on repeat.
I'm definitely gone. Almost all Resident evil games are on 60% sale on ps4.
Have fun having conversations. And next anniversary having the same stuff again. Another binding of kin
I agree with you and your original argument competition is the best way to motivate any company not a boycott. Even if this game shut down tomorrow after 5 years on top I would say it's a success. So many games have come along like F13, Last Year, Hide or Die, Demonical, Soul at Stake, need I go on and failed that DBD has earned it's place in history. Maybe Evil Dead will come along and give DBD a run for it's money but as history has shown I wouldn't hold my breath. Anyway great video very thoughtful and logical.
"let me borrow that top"
19:58 This is part of the reason why so many people can't stand you. You are like Wanna Maximoff, you shape reality as it fits your argumentation. People have been criticizing BHVR and giving constructive feedback FOR YEARS! And YOU SHOULD know that! There are literally hundreds of videos talking about all of the issues of the game and proposing solutions. PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING THIS FROM THE GET GO like you said… this is a new stage of frustration because all past attempts to make BHVR understand, failed.
Saying people are just suddenly mad at the game and they don't give constructive feedback is incredible unfair and inaccurate. To be honest, it completely ruins my motivation to keep listening to you as I feel you are either being ignorant or deceitful with your argumentation and I'm not interested in either.
The best thing that could happen to DBD isn't a boycott imo. Getting the amount of people to actually go ahead with it to make a big enough impact is unrealistic. DBD need legitimate competition but they have such a monopoly on licenses etc, the only way it's going to be prised away from them now is if someone comes along with an asymmetrical horror game with gameplay that is truly astounding/unique otherwise EVERYTHING is going to be labelled a DBD clone. Out of all of them HSHS has been my favourite so far but that game had a team of like 15 people and had the wind knocked out of their sails early on, they couldn't keep up the pace. No significant updates happened in a month and people got bored. Fantastic video by the way. Was good to hear you elaborate on some points!
For anything to change, you have to be constructive like she says. If these fans want things to change, be helpful, not hateful.
Let them be mad. Nobody needs their negative opinion and their numbers are so miniscule that their hate wont make a difference. They're only making themselves look bad. You made a great point and they just need to get over it.
Morel of the Story, Boycotts offer nothing constructive because they don’t voice the issues of the game. Constructive Criticism > Boycotts
As someone who just got into the game and put 170 hours in so far. Why would anyone boycott? I got my buddy into this to we love it..
Good video! Well expressed opinions and point of view I think, and very informative. Thanks!
Being constructive and positive even whilst giving criticism is how things should be done. Spewing vitriol and insults devalues your argument and people will not listen to you. I love that you're open about your criticisms while not being a jerk about it! I honestly hate channels and forums that are nothing but negative vibes. You can be critical and positive about a game you love at the same time. Well made video
This is one of the most well-spoken and thought out discussions in DBD. Competition would only make DBD into a better product. I look forward to more sensible topics of debate from you, Cahla!
These people that are trying to organise a boycott are just throwing their toys out the pram. I got a load of messages on twitter just for saying dont bash the twitter guy because there are bugs in the game. I agree with everything you are saying. Even if we disagreed, after watching all of this video, I'm sure it would just be a discussion rather than an argument
Finally some rational thoughts!
picture it like this:
i walk up to you and say ''im gonna punch you, lets talk'' i think you would be a lot less inclined to listen to what i have to say. Instead if i would be ''hey, i have some concerns, can we talk about this?'' I am assuming that would sit better then my previous line.
People just like to be mad to be mad lol
Watched the whole thing, and listened and agreed with a lot that you said. I wanted to share my thoughts on this, but I'm finding it hard to explain them. That being said, the hate towards you is not justified, and I hope this makes people think
Very well spoken video. I had no idea that the game had stagnated and people were as unhappy with the state of the game as they are. Constructive communication is almost always the best way to make progress. I think the problem is that a lot of people don't remember that game dev forums exist, and typically if you provide detailed explanations of what's occurring in the game they will respond and if enough people do that they eventually take notice. However most just complain about it either on stream or in a tweet and leave it at that and then act surprised that no action is taken.
Videos like this help push the narrative in a positive direction.
A clear and concise, well thought out video. Constructive feedback and discussion is needed rather than this polarized toxicity.
I definitely think that this video is so much better than your previous one. I'm glad you did decide to make another video on this as I know you said in a reply to previous comments to me you weren't sure. But I'm really glad you did as this is a better explanation for what you've wanted to say and I honestly feel that even though you don't agree with the boycott you understand our frustrations and this vid shows.
I watched another content creator the other day, think it was Dowsey, who said that the boycott was more like a movement and I think that's the best way to see it.
I believe that most of us who are into the boycott actually want this game to succeed and keep growing etc. Like you I adore this game. But I think the frustration of having the devs publicly saying "sorry there's another issue, will put out another patch. Here, have some bloodpoints" etc just got to us over these months and we've had enough.
And thank you for looking more into what the boycott is actually. No idea who said to you it was not buy cosmetics over a weekend cause wtf would that even do?!?!?! 🤣 But from what I saw originally was not buy anything for 3 months and that's what I'm planning on doing.
I've also stopped playing the game too.
But not by choice. I know you said if your frustrated by the game take a break, and yeah absolutely fine to say. However to take a break cause the game is unplayable shouldn't be the reason. Its a sucky reason and unfortunately that's the reason why I've had to stop.
I don't care if I survive/escape/kill in the game. Long as I have fun.
What you mentioned about apex and having the main content creators getting together, publicly and talking/discussing the game issues. Would you be willing to do this? Get together with not just other fog whisperers but with other popular dbd creators and discuss this. Cause I think this would help a lot.
Not the boycott but actually being a voice for the community and like you said, having an open discussion. Cause I'd love to hear it.
Apologies for the long comment.
Ur one of my favorite YouTubers/streamers keep up the good work