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Welcome, friends and foes, Survivors and Killers. Today we’ll be looking at the newest Killer on the block, the eldritch horror known only as GREG!… I mean THE DREDGE! There’s a lot to unpack about the lore and design of this thing so let’s get right into it!
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Getting Bloodborne PTSD from the one reborn clip. Or shall I say, frenzied.
Realistic or not, the lack of subtlety and the clumsiness in the Dredge's lore makes it feel more like a campfire story than a real story, perfect for a character meant to be Behavior's answer to the boogeyman. I'm not saying it was on purpose, but it could be, and if it's not, I feel like it still works. They could definitely frame it like that in the future if they felt like it and it wouldn't seem out of place.
i didn't even notice these mistakes when first reading
I didn't realize that you were actually calling The Dredge, Greg for a while until I actually scrolled into the description and saw what you'd written there. Love the commentary and I totally agree though, they should commit one way or another.
14:26 another thing you could’ve said maybe more as a joke is this story has the subtlety of the wraith mori
Another example of flesh monsters made of multiple bodies is Godrick the Grafted and the Grafted Scion from Elden Ring. Their bodies under their cloaks are fully modelled and you can see the multiple spines, arms, feet, feathers, etc. You can also see a lot of it while they’re robed, unlike the Dredge, but good luck while you’re getting your shit smashed in.
The tape glitching out kind of makes him sound demonic in parts.
I have two main thoughts concerning The Dredge:
1. I think it looks cool, and I hope BHVR makes more critters like it! I know it’s a pipe dream, but I’d love to see them add The Thing or the Brundlefly (pleeeeeaaassseee) to the game someday!
2. This varmint is 100% going to revolutionize the monsterfucker community for better or for worse
This is my first time seeing you on my fed and I got to say, you have an opinion I have an opinion. You do you, and thank you for giving your opinion. This to me is fresh
I do like the dredge but I agree that the design is lacking somehow, (not a fan of the name either the dredge sounds like an undersea killer to me) I think my opinion of it went down when I heard youtubers refer to it as a turkey and yeah… that long neck, head bobbing movement makes it more silly than scary. I wish it was something closer to one of The Thing alien designs, rather than bodies stitched together like the look I think they were going for it could have been more of an amalgamation were you can't tell were one bit ends and another begins and bits are almost hatching away from the main body. I hope it's warm reception by fans helps opens door for some more creative killer designs anyway, always nice to see something new.
Also btw the first time I saw the design of the dredge I immediately wanted to throw up it may not be scary, but it’s definitely disgusting it reminded me of wrong turn or those monsters from the forest game
I like the concept of the dredge, but the way his lore is written feels like it was made for a highschool english class. I still think it’s a nice change of pace though. No where near as offensive as the Artist’s lore.
Why do you sound like you're chewing on your teeth when you talk lol
As soon as the story turned the cult into killing a reporter I imediately remembered the jonestown incident
While you definitely put into perspective how Dredge could've been done better, I still like it for its power, and haven't lost hope for it. It's got potential for some wild cosmetics, going off of what we've seen so far, and I think a tome down the road could really put into perspective some of the darker aspects of The Fold, which are definitely there. Already, in the Dredge's base design, you can see a baby arm protruding from its left shoulder, leaving me to assume either Otto killed a baby, or one was killed during the hysteria later in the story-
So, I do have to argue that "The Fold" sounds too culty for anyone to believe people would join. There are plenty of cults that have/had names with such "THIS IS A CULT" energy and they still had tons of people join. Look at Heaven's Gate or Love Has Won. Cults thrive off of people who are looking for a place to belong, and names like The Fold, while extremely unsubtle, make people these vulnerable people feel like they're part of something special. And as far as naming after Otto's first name, I'm fairly certain that was a reference to David Koresh and the Branch Davidians.
i personally found the example you provided of a fleshy monster way too busy in design and overworked. the dredge having areas of empty space makes it more visually appealing to me, because breaking up areas of high detail with areas of low detail is essential in character readability. then again, that's a problem i have with bloodborne's creature designs, and fromsoft creature designs in general. some of them are almost final fantasy tier in their overdone detail lol
adding ethereal or shadowy parts can provide interesting contrast and mess with expectations, if it's done right. i don't think it's the scariest it could be, for sure, but i'm not sure the answer is slapping more limbs and detail over it. as someone who struggles with visual detail in games already, a creature chasing me that's made out of 50 million body parts would be a nightmare — and not in the fun way. more in the "i have no fucking clue what is happening and i don't enjoy playing against this" sort of way.
i liked the premise they were going for with its story but yeah, this is definitely "baby's first cult story" in a lot of ways.
I think the demogorgan was the first truly non human killer
Idk if its me but the darkness on the bottom part of the Dredge is actually where all the body parts are being controlled like a puppet but not like a puppet with strings on it but rather like a Hand puppet way. Basically controlling the body parts but from the bottom instead of the middle or above.
I personally find the movements of the Dredge to be quite disturbing. Because… it moves like a human would. It moves its head like it's using its using non-existent legs. It's non-attacking hand pumps and waves like it's sprinting. This thing that is definitely not human is trying to move like it is one…
I like Dredge a lot but tbh, Outlast 2 did the recreation of Jones' cult better. As a Christian who was formerly a member of a fundamental Baptist Church, I knew ppl like those cult members. I know which parts of Scripture were twisted to make these 'new' verses. I knew ppl who behaved so oddly and excused it with their Faith as the socially acceptable reason. Outlast 2 is the real deal. Dredge and its story are cool, but Outlast 2 is something I can never replay because it is too realistic to my experience and it makes me too uncomfortable. 😐
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Idk what it is, Pixel, but I really struggled to understand most of what you said in this one. Which is a shame, as I'm often quite interested in what you have to say. This video had a more… rushed quality? Something like that. Not to be offensive, but it was almost as though you were racing to complete your script whilst dealing with a mouth full of pocket change.
As for what I could understand… Idk. Aesthetically Dredge is a bit disappointing. When I read what it is on paper, the last thing I picture is a turkey necked vagina faced nightmare pool noodle, yet here we are. Not much to be done about it now, I suppose. Concerning the ham-fisted story explaining its existence, I think BHVR thinks they have to overreach any explanation of anything so complex as a Lovecraftian Egregore to their fanbase. Given how many moronic threads I've seen from this community, I'm sad to say I sort of agree with that line of reasoning. We have a DbD dating sim on the rise, and we can most definitely blame the far too thirsty and annoyingly stupid fans out there that make up the majority. It isn't the story that the Dredge deserves, but it is the type of swill we deserve, I think.
Dredge do be kinda mid tho. Really bad against good teams and ok against bad ones
Fiddlesticks ❤️
Been waiting for this, I love this new killer and chapter as a whole. Love the content man keep up the good work!
12:00 SUS
This killer changes the future of the game. It will actually become scary again. Still waiting on that spider killer, the xenomorph on the Nostromo or an actual Wendigo.
I love it so far…. They should have made it “the creature that lives in your closet/under your bed”. Made the body out of toys and mangled body parts…
what i like most about the dredge is that they are supposedly made up of multiple people who died on the island. If they really wanted to go for that aesthetic, it was a big missed opportunity that his add ons weren't more personal items and like you said, it could use more body horror elements.
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I almost wish Otto wasn't the cult leader. It sort of cheapens the realism when most of the evil atrocities are done by the black vale, when the real horror is the delusion and psychopathy of real people. In its context, the dredge could have been the embodiment of tormented and lost citizens born out of fanaticism and was created naturally. but is instead a direct result of the "Big bad evil guys" essentially making a Frankenstein.
I 100% agree with your criticisms of the lore. I love the dredge design and everything, but the lore felt so forced and stupid that I couldn’t take any of it seriously. Thank you for putting the words I couldn’t think of onto paper.
I have played against 3 Dredge players and was not impressed by the gameplay I experienced, especially since all they done was hard tunnel basement camp.
I don't find the Dredge scary in the slightest, I just find him to be the ugliest bloody thing I have ever laid eyes on and I have seen my share of super mega fugly. He looks like a demented hybrid of Salvatore Moreau and the weird baby Ethan Winters hallucinated (both characters from Resident Evil Village), any corpse in a black robe and a San'Shyuum (a Prophet) from the Halo franchise.
The blackout power is super annoying. I don't mind the map going black and also find the mechanic of seeing everyone else's auras to be pretty cool (however) I do not appreciate the stupid noises that accompany the power. I thought the boon's chimes emitted the most annoying sounds in the game but congratulations Devs, you have went way overboard. I don't find the wailing noises scary or entertaining, I find them to be incredibly annoying.
The normal dredge looks a bit derp. but his doll skin is really scary
I’m only at 6:30. However, i think you have a misunderstanding of what the dredge is. It’s not a something else inhabiting another’s body; it’s the shadow. The bodies are just a display of the corpses that it has consumed. That’s why in the mori the survivor gets swallowed by the darkness. It literally is shadow given form.
The part of the lore where the cult members are deprived of sleep and becoming increasingly paranoid/agitated which leads to them tearing eachother apart really reminds me of a short animated film called The Backwater Gospel. It's very similar narratively and thematically, as well as having similar scenarios/plots, albeit with more overtly religious "subtext" and an old western theme. I'd highly recommend anyone reading to check it out.
Are you calling the dredge “Greg” at some points or am I just going deaf and mishearing an accent?
YES I have been waiting for this video since the chapter was announced! One of the most interesting killer lores in a while imo
The thumbnail question intrigues me. The answer is yes. I think true terror comes from not knowing what's in the dark watching you. The unknown of what's there and never being able to escape as it gets closer. Tons of ways media can capture this feeling but dbd is simply not it and will never be it.
There is something about it that makes me think it looks like a giant turkey monster
Have you seen Dredge's Twisted Plaything outfit?
That thing is like Dredge's spook factor on steroids.
Idk I like his videos but sometimes it’s just so hard to understand. Speaking too fast and not enunciating makes it difficult with words jumbled together.
Can we just talk about it now being canonised as being called Greg.
Better name than a friend of mine gave it…
The Drussy!
The only thing I can think to say about dredge’s design is that it looks more derpy than scary
In my eyes, we now have 2 hero's, Haddie and the observer and 2 villains, the entity and Otto
Honestly, I don't mind that they beat the idea of the people of the Garden being a cult into people's heads. Not everyone knows what a cult looks like from the inside or from the outside. Somehow, those folks have remained blissfully ignorant of the real world implications of it, but that's likely just me