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Looking over a twitter thread from Hens, discussing whether it is ever BM to say “gg” in post game chat of a 1 sided match. I was very blown away from the answers to this so I figured I”d make a video to discuss.
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For me GG is like a Good morning. It doesn't matter if your day is good or not, you just say it as a greeting, that's all…
I think when you were talking about outlook on life is where the divide is. I as a person always assume positive intent because I believe this and it makes life easier and more enjoyable. From what I know about you, you too tend to assume positive intent as well, but if someone doesn’t necessarily live with this outlook towards life they are perhaps more likely to have an assumption either way. Yes, sometimes people will put on specific builds with the intent to stomp on someone but I would say just as likely they put it on just to win the video game. In theory positive or negative intent is just as likely either way but me as a person will always assume positive intent because at the end of the day it makes my life easier and isn’t filled with people “attacking” me. If I’ll never know the intent behind something why assume the one that inherently is shitty, I choose to believe it wasn’t.
All this to say for me a “gg” is always said with positive or at least neutral intent. But maybe not for everyone but I kinda agree with you that it has more to due with their own personal outlook on life.
4:30 Exactly Tofu. People are ASSUMING.. and this is a problem not only in dbd, but in life as we know it. People wont ever get real facts or information about things most of the time anymore, its much easier for them to just make an assumption and validate their twisted way of thinking by that assumption. Its a very messed up coping mechanism and it genuinely is a shame and in extreme cases can ruin livelihoods of the victims whom are assumed the worst of.
I feel like I’m a bit late to the party. Saying “GG” after a one-sided match isn’t BM.
For me, it’s more of a “ready the room” situation – and I've been on the winners and losers end.
The other side obviously didn’t have a good game. If you don’t have anything nice to say, it’s better to say nothing at all. That's how I handle it.
If a “GG” is only written because that's what I do after a match, why not let the other side initiate when you just stomped them?
If the other side says “GG,” I'll go ahead and respond. If I lost I just go next.
To sum it up: why open a post-game chat after a match like this if you don’t intend to have a conversation (on the: why do ppl assume malicious intent)?
And why be surprised if the other side doesn’t acknowledge the “GG”? They are also ppl and raging or not, they have every right not to accept.
To me it feels like getting mad about a gg is like getting mad about someone greeting you with a "good day" (common greeting in germany) because you are having a miserable day.
And thank f I am not involved in this Twitter uhm X thing. Its just people looking for reasons to be mad.
A gg is good sportsmanship.
Plus, toxicity is something that's interpreted. You can also very easily ignore perceivied toxicity or bad manners.
Enjoy playing video games, gamers.
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It’s very simply good sportsmanship to say gg. Imagine you’re a football player and your team gets their asses handed to them in a game. At the end, the players still line up and go down the line saying good game to each other because everybody showed up and participated and it’s….just very simple sportsmanship.
I have had some awesome experiences in the dbd community but I have also had a guy say to report me for winning as killer.
gg, is fine to say no matter what, gg gln is fine and gg ez is fine to say too.
A lot of issues in society boil down to inherently negative mindsets or "faulty thought processes", which are naturally associated with depression.
If someone you know is walking on the other side of the road and you say "hello" but they don't respond, there's 2 usual mindsets. Some will think they're ignoring them (negative) and some will think they didn't hear them (positive).
The GG argument is this, you don't know the intention and your natural mindset makes the decision, pessimistic or optimistic.
GG can be passive aggressive. Low context from text only leaves sarcasm possible and the negative connotation is more likely if they played in a bad faith/exploitative manner.
I'm on console, however, so not a lot of trash talk in text with no text chat.
When I was taught to say gg after every game, it was explained like this. If you say it only when you win, it loses meaning behind the saying, it's not a good game because you lost or won it's a good game cause we played together.
10:34 This would be it for the most part because to a losing person it can be interpreted as "no shit its gg for you. you won and ofc you had a good time. well I didn't".
If the chat would appear empty there wouldn't be any more stimulation or frustration since the game is over and people moved on without engaging in a post game chat.
These days it's an actual handshake still to some tournament players in any game yet for an unbalanced game of dbd considering things that are widely perceived as toxic even a simple gg could appear as a rub in someone's face depending on the context of the game EVEN if person saying it means no harm.
Think about little league games, even if you beat the other team 20-0 you still line up, shake hands and say good game.
The world is too soft.
When they're willing to say gg for a completely one-sided game in their favour, but not when it's the other way around, that says enough.
Next time I whomp someone, I’ll just be brutally honest and tell them to uninstall the game:
It's twitter, man, every community is going to complain about dumb shit over there.
It's purely game dependant and what's the average player like in a given game. E.g. in RTS it's normal to say gg. God, people even say " gh hf" == good luck and have fun BEFORE the match. It's just immature people reacting negatively to a normal GG. Really, compare average DBD player and average RTS player (RTS genre is simply an example), and the difference is there.
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I mean honestly for me, it’s not the matches where I get dunked on where I see it as bad manners, it’s the matches where the other side is super toxic (facecamping, tunneling, constantly sabo/flashlight/breakout+that’s and griefing) or when there seems to be constantly lack of consideration for the fun of all players involved in the match like when half the team throws or one side is able to get like 5k and the other side walks away with 30k+) it can feel facetious or toxic, regardless even if it’s not intended that way. For example, as a streamer, I constantly face killers (can’t really say survivors because survivors can’t see the killer is a streamer pre-match) who bring their most toxic builds and go out of their way to face camp, slug, slap on hook and/or tunnel simply because I’m a streamer and then say gg at me at the end. It can feel very toxic/mean especially in the context of them acting out in the match. Even then, I will try not to let it get to me but it can get frustrating when it happens match after match after match when I’m just trying to make a living 😂
Honestly as someone who plays both, Chucky is probably the closest that dbd has to a ptw character 😂 plus he demeans the survivors a lot in a way that almost makes me hate that they started adding voice lines to dbd lol 21:14
22:30 I think the problem is that while playing to win is fine, it’s the chronic issue of multiplayer online games where some of the community is playing to win, some are playing just to play, and some put value in making sure whether win or lose everyone has a fair chance to at least have fun. I love matches that are a challenge, I don’t want an easy win, I don’t want a super demeaning loss, my ideal is an evenish pairing or at least a match where I can get 20k points or pretty close. (5k in each category is enough to at least try and maintain pips if not increase and is totally possible whether you win or lose) and also you can’t deny that some people just honestly play with the intention of ruining the fun of others and nothing else. That’s their fun. Making sure people are miserable and dbd has a higher than normal concentration in my gaming experience of people who intentionally go out of their way to be as toxic as possible and ruin the fun of everyone but themselves (on both sides mind you) as a survivor, I try to discourage my teammates from that sort of behavior as much as possible and as a killer I do my best to break that stigma by being positive and fair, win or lose, but I understand not everyone is like that. There’s also a high concentration of people in the dbd community that are LGBTQ+ and/or Neurodivergent and that often alters their perception of intention/communication – and they can’t help that anyone more than the person who said it can help their perception of it. There’s also a LOT of misunderstandings in the relay of what is considered toxic within the limited communication bounds of BHVRs system, especially on the survivors side (pointing/nodding/shaking head/teabagging etc) where the established public perception of the action has changed so many times over the years that it’s hard to tell. Then there’s just that fact that text in general is ambiguous so you only really can go off context as a whole when deciding perception vs intent in this kind of argument. This is honestly just such a complex topic with so many aspects to it that it’s hard to break down simply because like all human interaction, it’s a delicate balance of intent vs perception/reception.
26 percent is 3,452 people. I used to GG every game like sports, and that got me hate. So I ONLY GG people who beat me because they're usually already in a good mood.
gg means get gud it's not hard to understand
This portion of the DBD audience never played team sports growing up and it shows, as showing gratitude and respect to those opposing to you was never taught.
The problem is that too many people are chronically online and are shielded from anything adverse. People chronically over analyze things because they mainly communicate via text and have to try to read between the lines all the time. So now we have an entire generation, possibly two, of people who can't receive a simple pleasantry like "gg" without spiraling. Someone's response to a "gg" of mine was "this is my 13th reason" which dark humor or not is pretty extreme.
I'm sure some people try to use it as rage bait after a stomp, but I just say gg have fun! and hit next. Anyone who is hateful in post is a sadsack, survivor or killer.
honestly if i get stomped on in a game (without a tonne of bm) and they say gg it makes me feel better. it feels like theyre recognising my effort and not just laughing at me yk? they couldve insulted me, but instead they were just respectful and said gg.
I have never gotten offended by someone saying GG even if it’s a complete stomp on me. But idk what it says about me that if I completely stomp them and put a GG in the end game, I feel kinda bad about it? It’s really weird because I don’t ever mean it in a condescending or mean way, but I feel like that’s how it seems to come off to everyone else. 😅
A lot of people that dont like it dont play sports at all so the sense of sportsmanship is lost on them they are more worried about pissing the other side off
"People are way over analyzing things"
proceeds to make a 24 minute video.
You could go to the next game, don't even read chat.
BLNT= BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME
It's not bad manners by any means. I see it as someone just basically extending a handshake after a match kind of thing. I will say, my friends and I had a super bad match last night – killer tunneled me out from the get go, then the next person, and next (and I do mean hard tunnel like – would smack another person if they body blocked and then go after the original target again). We tried to push gens, but only got like 2 done, if I recall (we were a 3 man and trying to play for fun on the event). And after the killer said gg in end game, all my friend said was "I disagree" but then he left and we went next and continued on. We didn't continue to argue, didn't do anything more. We just went on next and hopefully the killer did too. I feel like people honestly just want people to not say anything? I don't know. In our specific case, with the way the killer played, silence might have been better, but even then, we didn't take the game personally and my friend just basically said nah and continued, but we didn't dwell. I just hate the GGEZ. That will urk me more than anything because they specifically are taunting. It's sad that, as an xbox gamer, if I see the killer is xbox and the match was real bad and they played in a specific way, I just automatically block them because I KNOW they're going to say GGEZ and I don't even want to risk the annoyance.
Edit: for our match where my friend said I disagree – none of us ran anything super meta besides my friends running lithe and windows. I run bond, bite the bullet, deja, and distortion, but none of them really got used as I was the first target and out right away (so deja was useless, as was btb). And yeah, we could run DS and shoulder the burden and stuff, but I don't have the new chapter, don't want to buy it either, and I don't really want to run DS. I don't ALWAYS get hard tunneled, this was just a specific case.
Is the dbd community too soft?
short answer: yes
long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
I have typed gg after stomping a match as a form of bming
The answer is yes. The community (as a whole) is too soft.
Saying "gg" is bad manners bcs it was not a "good game", is like saying you shouldn't say "good morning" bcs someone could have a shitty morning