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Took me about 4 days to complete the “make the killer swing and miss 3 times in one match.” It’s rough…the way I finally completed it was using breakout and I got super lucky, he swung and missed three times while carrying my teammate.
I did the "unhook in the killer's terror radius with BT two times in one match" one the other night. Like, great, troll my allies, cool.
But then today I did one of the "stun the killer 4 times in one match" ones and dear god, every killer I played against thought I was trying to bully them and took it extremely personally, making the entire experience atrocious. And the one I actually got it on, I basically did bully because of it (got him to kick a gen with Blastmine and then hit him with Head On right after, also baited him to pick me up for DS)
Don’t forget the Plague Challenge, hit 2 Survs with one Red Puke Charge (Do this in one match) or from the first one, finish 4 Gens in one match while using Dark Sense (highly impossible in Solo-Q).
But that being said, I think the survivor challenges are not necessarily harder but forcing you to throw the game sometimes, in the last times I can only recall 2 challenges which where kinda awful.
The one where you have to escape while all totems where being cleansed (thank god Pentimento didn’t exist) and from actual tome where you had to dodge 3 M1 Attacks in a single match (which they changed to only one M1 attack recently).
Most of them feel like chores and are less like a challenge but rather a „do a fancy thing“, which would be cool if you don’t have a somewhat tight time window for the whole tome next to your normal work/life.
Edit: it was significantly worse for the survivor side back in time where we didn’t have the progression bar during the match, we got that in Tome 7 or 8 if I‘m not mistaken
I got the avoid the killer hit one in one chase but I got LUCKY as hell. Also as someone with alexithymia yes outside challenges or be "told" what to do is something I need
Kaiser's description of survivor archives reminds me of the camo grind in COD Cold War. lmao
Challenges from like the first 5 tomes are literally for insane people. You have one challenge that is like: Sacrifice 20 survivors, and than for survivor its: Blind killer 6 times in one match without flashlight
This, 1,000 times this.
07:15 The 3 missed auto attacks 100% is an archive i just couldnt do without "farming" it.
Farming is a reason why killer archives are way easier too. If it RLY frustrates you, you can always switch to farming with the survivors and usually that works quite fast.
Frustrating survivor archives tho? Nonono, just pray that it works. And especially older archives with tasks like "sabotage 15 hooks"… Why? It doesnt hurt to put that number down a bit.
The 3 missed swings were only done by equipping the popcorn seller dwight skin, bringing me to the cinema and praying, that the killer would play along. Or in other words: Dont play the game and just hope the killer doesnt either.
The one that rly frustrates me till this day is the "iridescent unbroken" one. Especially since i nearly got it done and got put into the dying state WHILE JUMPING INTO THE HATCH. At this point i am really thinking of just ruining a few peoples game and hide the whole time, since i am just not skilled enough to loop someone for 4 gens or make them dc or whatever.
One of the worst challenges I've had to do was the challenge where you have to Hinder the killer 3 times in a single match. The only perk I had that allowed me to do that was Chem trap. I was stuck on this challenge for like a week. The only reason I was even able to complete it was because the killer was friendly and willing to help out.
I completely agree that the "do x task all in one match" challenges just need to go. Those have got to be the most frustrating.
a few archives are very timeconsuming, like kill the obsession 13 times. I hate archives like this. At the same time I HATE the: survive with survivor xyz, and have fun thats a level one archive and you need to do it, so you can chose the next oh and, you need to play a survivor you dont like, hahaha
AHHHH XD
Oh btw thanks to all survivor and killer who go and help the other player with some stupid archive
a few years ago, there was one archive with a blight perk. We meet a blight, and he was struggeling with this challenge. So I run to him and help sucsessfull this poor guy with his challenge. he was thankfull and let all of us go 🙂
Hook 4 survivors in basement is a fun one
"Hide within 10 meters of the killer for 60 seconds as Dwight Fairfield" (Complete this challenge in a single trial)
I think after they can add more challenges that are at least skill full and not Impossible.
For example:
Don't be Hooked as first survivor in the match.
Finish first generator in the match.
Etc.
Yeah a good amount of these have made me mald
Survivor challenges be like: Escape through hatch 9 times. Do this in a single trial
They actually changed the "Dodge 3 killer basic attacks" last week, now you only need to dodge one
I find playing killer to make me feel empty. I don't find it fun at all. Even if I get a 4k, I feel nothing. I am thankful that the match is over. Sadly, half of the challenges, 99/100 rituals and half of the grade rewards can be completed only as killer or killers benefit from it. A good example is "Break 10 pallets or drop 10 palleys in a match" or "Hook 6 survivors or unhook 6 survivors safely". I am saying this because the only reason I touch killer and spend BP on killers is because I am forced to play both roles to stay competitive or it's better to buy the DLC because you pay 30% less. I wouldn't touch killer if rituals would be more generic and would be universal, if the grade was based on both roles and if old challenges were hidden and new challenges were more generic. Tell me to open 20 totems over killing 4 survivors. I will pick the totems, no problem. A good way to fix it would be to pick one path. If you complete a path of a challenge, the other one would be removed. Same for rituals. Give me 1 ritual for killers and 1 for survivors and let me choose. However, my boost is always killer. Always! I even get 100% boost most of the time. Yet I still don't touch it by choice. I touch it because I have to. I can't give up like 3 million BP a quarter that easily. That's a P3.
Another thing that makes a lot of these much easier for killer is the killer can't be interrupted. The number of times I've been hit as survivor while trying to commune with a glyph is infuriating. Shoutout to all the nice killers who let you finish the animation before downing you tho!
No one:
BHVR: You should get yourself hit while vaulting NOW
I did the avoiding 3 basic attacks in one match without even notice, I literally give up and just left the challenge there and randomly it was completed after an afternoon
I'd rather we can complete the simple challenges at the same time. Those annoying tasks of completing 12 generators, 8 iridescent emblems, and 12 totems would go a lot faster. They could just make these for daily, weekly, and monthly tasks rather than archive challenges.
I finished all of them, but the three swing one for survivor was my last archive. I just put it on and ended up getting it without trying. I always save the most difficult ones for last and you usually can work around certain objectives and come back and finish them.
I agree with his main points except for saying that cleansing totems are a fine challenge. If it was like 5 totems survivors would probably do this naturally but 15 forces you to spend most of the game looking for and cleansing totems just to finish it in 3-4 games, throwing each game as you waste so much time. And trying to do the challenge naturally would take way too long and be frustrating to complete.
No joke, I'm sure that killrates are affected by Survivor archives way more than by any small change to add-ons or perks. Even from a Killer's POV, it's extremely noticeable when a Survivor is getting down because they're desperately trying to blind you twice in chase or pull off some other gimmick.
Shit, I didn’t know about the second channel. Subscribing rn. Storytime!
I gotta disagree with killers having it easier.
I used to wanna go for 100% archives and each and every survivor one felt extremely easy to just brute force. Would they all be done in one game? No. But they usually could easily be brute forced in a few games.
Killers specific ones are HORRIBLE though. Imagine being forced to play a character which sometimes you can't even use their power properly because you never play them and then on top of that you are forced to do crazy things that actually require you to be good with their power or just get lucky. It's already making you throw the game to play a killer you probably can't even properly play but to brute force killer ones take twice as long when it comes to the added time of having to try and learn an entire new power/character
some of these tome challenges have gotten tougher with all the changes over the years, especially older tomes. One example is "Unlock Hatch and escape twice" in tome 3, I think. Before the hatch nerf, it wasn't too impossible, but since the nerf, its extremely difficult (Ive only escaped through the hatch once since that nerf).
its not really related to the topic but i think wraith should have a lullaby thing on the visual heartbeat because of his purring
I think the absurd challenges should give you a title or a certain skin. Like “complete 5 gens in one match” or “get chased for 300 secs” and you’ll get a title called Gen Freak or Adrenaline Junky. Something unique and maybe not as ridiculous as I’m making it but a challenge that’s difficult that gives you something cool
Teaching my cousin how to really play, and he says, "I have to make the killer miss 3 basic hits."
I immediately tell him, "Skip that shit."
archive: "blind the killer 6 times. do this in one match."
lightborn: "Allows us to introduce ourselves" :sunglasses:
I feel like throwing the game for archives would be more forgivable if there was a split of casual and ranked modes.
i did the 3 misses one using sprint burst and vigil LMAO it still took a few tries tho
edit: MY FRIEND WAS DOING THE STUPID 4 GENS ONE LOL he's lucky he was in a swf so we could 99 the gens for him. in solo q that would suuuuck
edit 2: i was doing one where u have to use botany and a medkit and finish heals and it straight up would not work. i did it and it said no
Killer archives are fundamentally easier than survivor archives.
As killer, you make all the decisions for your 'team'. Even when they are difficult or tedious, it's completely under your control to throw the game for your challenge. As survivor, unless you have a swf willing to help you, you HAVE to throw the game for your random teammates who will dislike you for it or else expect to wait forever and get lucky while playing normally. Plus, there's always the chance that the killer interrupts whatever stupid shit you're doing like sabotaging 18 hooks or opening 12 chests because they want to play a normal match.
I say this as someone who has done ALL of the killer archives and about 90% of total archives (I keep a spreadsheet for this, yes I am insane).
I was in a stream where a killer asked why survivors were playing so weird. He then looked at the Archives and understood. 🤣 I love the Archives, especially as killer. I play survivor more, but those archives…they're exactly like you said. There was one in the last rift the required survivors to hide in a locker, during a chase within 10 meters of the killer for 10 seconds. Just what!? Needless to say, I did not complete that one. Some of them are truly impossible, like the complete 4 gens in a match challenge that you mentioned. The only way is if you have a farming killer or a really terrible one and are in a SWF who will either 99 the gens or let you do 4 of them. I enjoy the Glyphs too, but the Green ones as survivor drive me insane. I usually only find them during a chase and then killers just pull you off. I appreciate the killers who let us do them and then hit us. As killer, I always let survivors get their Glyphs first and then smack them because I know how annoying these challenges can be. I know some people will be like, "it's not the killers job to let you get your challenges," but getting a Glyph takes only a second or so and everybody wants their challenges. Thanks for bringing attention to this Archives problem, I appreciate it!