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I hate the DBD community lol ya lot of cool people but god dame. Bitch and cry about the Skull merchant then she gets changed to not 3 gen form 50 min and they cry that she is not strong
Uh oh headache talking about skull merchant actually gives him a headache
Since I heard about the changes to her, I actually am seriously considering picking up skull merchant after the changes go live. I play low tier killers for fun, pig and Michael are my mains.
I'm looking forward to the stupid things I will be able to do with her and her perks, memes will be made, and fun will be had.
While Legion is a good example of not ruining the Killer, Legion fundamentally felt the same to play as. Even those that played chase merchant aren't really happy with the version that is getting swapped out.
I'm hoping some feedback was provided to help with the add-ons, but we'll see when it goes live. I'm doing wait and see approach at this point.
The main reason why people hated the skull merchant was because her only effective playstyle involved 3 gening and gen regression which became tedious and boring for both the killer and survivor. Thats taken away, which is a good thing but now she has no real benefit to playing her at all. Whenever a drone would be placed on a loop now the survivor just needs to run away from the loop making her power pretty useless. She has no speed, no map traversal and little to no power making her pretty much an M1 killer. Think people really want her to be good and play her but her power needs to be worked on before that happens. So right now she is nerfed into the ground where even less people will play her until behaviour come out with a new re-work which could take months if not a year or two. Look how long people have waited for a freddy re-work. Also nerfing pig could push more people to play her of course as always
Yeah Is not like legión, people just want to see the character dead
Just saying but I've heard you in multiple of your videos state things like "I don't understand why people want to play skuller merchant when they spent over a year hating because you're not going to play Skull Merchant anyway." 3:36 and or at 8:25 I've also here you say similar things towards Sadako. I think people should be asking for a better design. Bhvr only takes so much time to dedicate to a certain killer and ignore them for months. This is our chance to try explain to them that we want it better. The skull merchant is a completely new killer now so it only makes sense to ask for better if it isn't at it's best/good poisition. Same thing with Sadako I was saying that she was gonna be garbage because at the first release tapes were meat sheilds to condemn. But yeah I figured that I would mention this because I see you say this or something similar for most reworks. The point is the killer is getting a touch up and another touch up won't be coming for awhile. Anyways other than that I like your constructive videos.
Thank you for making this video. It gets so tiring hearing people non stop complain about this character. I feel like half the time people are just paroting their favorite conent creators opinion on the killer. I loved and played Skull Merchant before this change and I know I will love and play her after. I've never played the 3 gen Merchant so this change isn't gonna affect my enjoyment of her at all. Also I know it happens, but in all my time playing as or against her, I've never encountered these mythical 45+ minute Skull Merchant matches. I play this game a lot and I've never understood why people act like this is every single match against her. The longest I think over ever had a Skull Merchant match go on for is like 20 minutes tops. Sorry for the ramble. Also you can hate this killer obviously. I just think the hate is blown way out of proportion. Just like with Knight.
I personally dont care if this killer sucks after the update. Playing vs that 3 gen was unbearable and the people that used her for that knew what they were doing. I played vs a 3 gen merchant a couple of days ago and couldn’t break it. I blastminded her 3 times and that was it. The rest of the killers i would feel bad but this one no. I didnt buy her either
The simple fact that her being weaker than trapper is up for debate should say alot about how weak she is.
Thank you for saying this. I appreciate it. Hearing people who main killers with repetitive gameplay say she's boring to play and weak was irritating me. I like Skull Merchant with this rework and look forward to playing her more. I really really do.
I do hope they tweak a few things between PTB and full release, like the cool down for at least recalling but I'm good if they don't. I'll just have to be mindful. Anyway. Thank you for your thoughts, Bran!
As one of the ding dongs that enjoyed playing her before her rework(stealth merchant forever). I have to say all the changes look good to me and im eagerly waiting to play her again(ps4 haven't played new merchant yet)
As long as they eventually come back to her and buff her then i say she is fine as is. Let her go live and give it some time so they can see what parts would be good to buff and which parts don't need to be. From what i see most people feel like the rework is one that killed her instead of fixing her or making her a good chase killer and that's why they are upset.
I don't understand the mentality of thinking people can't possibly have ever wanted to play her though because they were always complaining about her. Tons of people thought she had a cool concept but was just executed poorly. You absolutely CAN want to play something but still have the ability to recognize when parts of it in whatever state it is are unhealthy or bad for the game. Not liking three gen merchant doesn't magically mean it was impossible for anyone to have ever wanted the possibility to play her as a good chase killer where her power in chase was better than what it currently (well currently/will be) is.
I hilariously found no reason to play original SM and i still see no reason to play her even with this crappy rework
skull merchant can't teleport through walls or move at mach 9001, she's the worstest thing ever
she should have had MY rework idear where her drones home in on survivors and instantly mori them with a hailstorm of missiles and napalm
sarcasm aside, this rework is ironically pretty close to an idea I had for her some time back. for real, how could you really rework her without pulling a freddy and just essentially making an entire new character? I'm just happy the games aren't going to be long drawn out chess matches.
Im okay with the rework myself!
She is absolutely way too weak right now, but thats okay!
The point of a rework is to rework a bad idea into a better idea, after all!
They can buff skull merchant into something healthy!
Old skull merchant would never be healthy no matter how many buffs or nerfs!
New Skull merchant is weak, but healthy i think!!
Well, scull merchant is a character I've never played, and with this up date, she's still not really a killer ill pick to play as. playing against now though I'll probably stick around instead of finding away out of the game anyway I can so over all. In my opinion, it's better not perfect…. but better
its better for skull merchant to be gutted than to have her old kit the way it was, tbh i woulda done something with drones patrolling the map yada yada, however we know bhvr would never do something that drastic for skull merchant, when ever i versed skullmerchant id always do 1 of 2 things either just straight out dc or afk once finding out the persons playing the character, because id rather not be playing a slog of a match trying to break a 3 gen
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The point of a PTB is to provide feedback. The community is providing feedback. Changes will happen between the PTB to live. We shouldn't normalize poor and rushed PTB changes and then be happy 1-2 years later when they are finally fixed. Precedent is not always a good thing and doesn't mean that changes can't happen.
BHVR should delete Skull Merchant, it´s not worth to change ALL her power and kit making whole new gameplay when her visual design is really bad and uninspired.
I think it's perfectly fine to release the SM as she is from the PTB, as long as her 3 gen lock is gone. BHVR can literally use the next chapter PTB to buff her chase potential a little to test out, like maybe increase the rotation speed of the stealth drones so survivors don't just run past them in a loop, or whatever they want to test to buff her chase slightly
I am completely fine with skull merchant being weak. Honestly, her power is incredibly unfun and unsalvageable. Obviously 3 gen merchant was a complete abomination, but it was inevitable, you get 4 drones that patrol an area and punish survivors for being in it, it’s hardly rocket science that the best place to put them is the gens. But even chase merchant, despite the whole meme starting from a certain someone being like ‘I don’t play 3 gen skull merchant, I play her in chase!’… is also insanely boring. Let’s not kid ourselves here, the entire power is ‘me put drone at loop, you now have to leave loop’ outside of really really situational stealth. I honestly think this killer should have just been deleted and made from scratch but obviously they can’t do that, but she really still needs heavy adjustments if not a completely new power. Personally, I’d love if they just deleted her, I think her power is boring, her visual design is terrible, her lore is bad, and even her Mori is underwhelming but I know she has her fans. I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed in a killer release ever and I think that first impression of disappointment has stuck with me from her reveal.
Like you know people say the whole ‘just leave the loop thing’ about Artist but Artist at least has a lot of skill expression with the long range snipes you can do and stuff. I think she’s still going to be a super hated killer to go against honestly, for the same reason people hate Knight, just because chase against her is going to be very boring. It’s great she can’t do the 3 gen merchant chess anymore, thank god, I don’t think anyone wants that to return, I haven’t even done the tome challenges from fucking ages ago despite primarily playing killer because I just felt bad playing that character. But she’s still going to be a stain on the game, honestly? If you ask me, I think she’ll become Twins level unpopular, she’s very weak with a boring playstyle and bad visuals. But that’s better than being able to hold games hostage forever so we take those Ws, I think Skull Merchant is the rare case where I’m like, yeah, nuke this killer from orbit and leave her weak but at least let her 3 actual fans enjoy her.
People are dumb, she is not awful.
Is she weak? Yes.
Was her rework successful? Also yes.
She is as weak as Legion or Doctor – Good against medium survs and decimated against comp teams.
So yeah in my opinion she is weak and (what is most important) buffable.
It was a PTB after all, you can easily buff her while not overtuning her.
People still play this game? I thought it died a long time ago
Skull Merchant rework is good, just needs some changes. Overall, it is a succes of making Merchant healthy for the game which was the reason she go it and who knows, maybe she's gonna be a very unique killer that no one would even think would ever exist…. i mean she was already a killer that no one would even think would ever exist but that's besides the point. She's like a Area Control/Trap Stealthy killer with basekit info which is not something you see dialy. Most people would probably still not like her cause of this diffrent playstyle but that's alright, like the legend of Twins mains Pixel Bush said "not every chapter is for you" and he seems to like the rework too
As far as having precedent of BHVR fixing underpowering nerfs, I have one word for you.
Freddy.
Its definitely great to see that the 3 gening strategy is now gone hopefully forever, and now i just see her as a weak killer in the low C tier area in my tier list and they will do some adjustments and if they decided to revisit this killer in a 2 or 3 years like with legion i wouldn't mind if they changed her to be at a high C, low B tier cuz i think that is where it would be most comfortable for the Skull Merchant
I think people are overreacting as the player base of this game tends to do.
i think she needs buffs and her playstyle is not the best and probably never will be but absolutely workable, something that can be buffed to a usable degree and make a low-mid tier killer that's fun to play. the current PTB issue is that people are only seeing how undertuned it is at the moment and aren't able to think of whether it's a decent design for a killer because weak = bad. if the drones were consistent and she had more to place she could be an interesting map control/trap killer where she herds people into danger zones but people just say "useless m1 killer, you can just leave the loop in response to a drone" because her current tools to pre place and trap areas are lacking.
All they did to Skully was remove her mediocre lethality without actually addressing her 3 gen set up. She is still incentivized to set up her drones (that take forever to set up) in one area (a 3 gen) and just set them up around the areas you'd run the survivors through. That's all that's changed for her. She's still going to be best around a 3 gen area that's been depleted of resources.
This is probably the reason why they tied her set up / recall up to the same cool down. They know the above is all she can actually do. The last thing I would add to this is that Skully wasn't good and yet they actively invested time to have her not be able to do that, meanwhile things like Blight and his add ons are allowed to exist. There's plenty of reasons why the community is upset.
Lastly Legions just one side of the argument you're presenting. The other is Freddy that also has precedence in having been changed and left in dog tier forever. Food for thought.
Thinks trashing noob players in the PTB means the killer is fine. Also thinks people take PTB seriously and the PTB is an adequate gauge to showcase a killer's new changes
As someone who likes playing chase merchant as well as 3 gen merchant who's trying to use up 280 7 year cakes before this rework happens, making a killer's power mediocre doesn't help anyone. Behavior balancing yet another killers' power into sad B tier number 3,701. YES I totally agree her current live power needed to be tweaked. TWEAKED not reworked/nerfed into oblivion. This is the same situation that happened to Legion's first rework years ago. It was a giant nerf disguised as a rework. So what does that mean? 3 years from now she'll be reworked yet again into an actually playable state making the work they're doing here completely irrelevant and a waste of everyone's time. This situation is history repeating itself yet again with Behavior not understanding their own game. PS: original legion wasn't actually bad. It was two purple addons that broke him but as I said, the DBD community simply complained about him, Behavior didn't investigate what was breaking him, and just nerfed him with that rework. This is literally the Legion rework happening a second time.
I like the new Skull Merchant rework! Although she obviously won't be at the same power level as before, I don't believe that is a bad thing at all.
In fact, this rework is a complete success, neutering the 3-gen patrol style with her drones, and more importantly giving her a few new abilities and more interesting add-ons to play with.
Placing a drone and gaining undetectable status is good for briefly ambushing survivors. Setting up drones in key areas is rewarding later on in the trial, eventually stacking up more Lock On as she pushes survivors into those areas, and if the survivors get afraid of gaining the 3rd Lock On and try to avoid the drones, chances are you'll still get a free hit or down. Drones in Stealth Mode are also quiet and may be more difficult to spot, and could catch survivors off guard and scan them, which gives info.
I will absolutely play her, maybe even more than before.