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In this video I wanted to talk about tunneling in Dead By Daylight and is it that big of a deal. It seems that there is a divide between the Dead By Daylight community when it comes to rules and double standards, so I wanted to give my take on it!
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do you think tunneling is a viable strategy or toxic playstyle for the killer?
no mercy to survivor
I respect everyone who doesn’t tunnel, as a survivor main who has two killers p3lv 50 I understand both sides of the story, as killer I try not to tunnel at all. It just ruins people experience and when it happens to me it fucking sucks. No one likes it and if you tunnel long story short your a scum bag (no offence). The only time tunneling is acceptable is when the last gen is popped and you have no kills. And you got shit on, I’m fine with that if I’m a survivor because i understand. But if you just tunnel one survivor at the start of the game and do nothing else, you a degenerate.
Honestly it boils down to pips survivors are punished cos of tunnelers
More than 2 you forget second wind
I also think when you said when gens fly that's the killers fault for being bad no that can be the killers fault but also game design
Also there are counters to these perks such as waiting 12 seconds or slugging
i think there are two type of tunneler : the strategic one that tunnel in order to gain back pressure and the griefing one that tunnel instantly and more specifically to make the other side angry., the one you can predict and the one that is unpredictable.
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The strategic one tunnels if gens are flying (let's say 4 or less hooks and 3+ gens done) or if someone brings a key into a game (you will not purposely tunnel but will show less mercy than for the other survivors). Same goes for proxycamping a survivor when all gens are done : why should you let them a chance to get unhooked and not secure at least one more kill ?
As survivor it's a predictable situation as if you notice gens are going too fast, you know that the survivor currently getting chased is at least going to be camped and or tunneled to insure 1 kill, which is reasonnable and understandable (one of the reason i try not to be chased when there are 2 or less gens left).
> I see this type of tunneling being the consequence of "gen rushing", making the killer feel like he lacks pressure and need to tunnel in order to give himself a chance at killing a maximum of survivor.
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While the griefing one is tunneling as soon as he/she gets one survivor on hook, no matter if there are still 5 gens up. That the kind of tunneling that is unpredictable. That is the one that is usually called out to be "unfun"
> I see this type of tunneling as the cause of "gen rushing", in order to give the chance to a maximum of survivor to escape and punish the killer.
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Honestly entitlement just is a consequence of many players only playing one side and therefore only seeing the situation throught their own POV. In order to understand the other side you need to play as it.
It’s a game, I don’t understand how people are so emotionally connected to this. I get camped and tunneled sometimes I do it back. But I don’t cry about it or go message people over it just gg. Some people might not be as good so that’s the only strat they know. And you can’t dictate how someone else plays. like who made you god. Your not making any money off of this nor did you win anything. You got perks to help you, grow tf up. ITS JUST A GAME 💯
Survivor don't realize it but gen rush is tunneling but survivor side cause killer can't do anything so much objectif are do fast and when a killer tunnel it's the same survivor can't do anything so much killer do objectif fast so if you genrush and after complain you're tunnel you understand why
When you face high ranked survivors and this bring flashlights with the add on along with top tier survivor perks tunneling is a useful tool. Especially when you don't camp hooks
I play both sides i main both survivor and killer i understand if a killer needs to tunnel or slug or whatever play how you want same thing goes for survivors but you cant expect the killer to play nice the killer isnt your friend they are playing to win you cant be that guy that gen rushes and goes for flashlight saves or sabotages or body block the killer then calls out the killer for playing dirty like tunneling and slugging quite being such a baby because things didnt go your way just give a gg wp and be on your way stop making the community of a casual game be so toxic
Do whatever you want, people!
It's your game, so you gotta experience it to the fullest!
Hay had an idea. How about a grippy killer. Agitation, mad grit, Iron grasp, and either ghostface or the pig carrying survivor perk
My opinion is this, learn how to have fun even with losses. Yeah, winning is great and all, but NO ONE will have PERFECT games all the time. That being said, I much rather be tunneled by a person who is nice about it over someone who is a dick about it. Meaning, there are no such thing as a toxic playstyle, only toxic people. Focus on the term GLHF! Good Luck cause this is competitive, Have Fun cause this is a game!
It's all about the pip system!!! How can you not bring this up in the video? When your red rank you have way more objectives to do !to keep your level! You have gens unhooking totems and runs … bro it's kinda wack when the game de pips you for not competing your objectives…no one would be saying jack if you kept your rank …so a killer goes out of his way to tunnel you and it de pips you hard …so you have to keep playing and playing to go back up in rank … the leveling system is way shit ! Also hackers just creep in and de rank you ! Also the game has kicked me and de piped me … it horrible… I'm all for killers and survivors having fun do what you will…. but the piping system needs a update… this is what is creating such cheap salty players. ..
Here's the thing, I don't care. Survivors can taunt and tbag at the killer for outplaying them but as soon as one of the Survivors are outplayed they get salty.
It all comes down to "it's the killer's fault" no matter what happens.
I've seen it happen with NOED, a pro player can run it and they will still get called trash because a survivor wasn't allowed to escape.
I purposely tunneled after a Claire who kept flashlight clicking me. On the other hand I've let Survivors hatch escape because I can tell they have just given up
I think tunneling is a viable strategy and I enjoy playing both sides. I see people complaining about not wanting to carry those perks…. thn don't? There are 16 perks between 4 survivors and 4 with a single killer. If not one person decides to carry these perks thn that is on them. As killer I enjoy trying to win or get a 4k and when I'm getting absolutely demolished a tunnel kill helps me balance things out. As for when I play as survivor I don't usually carry BT or DS because I enjoy trying a bunch of different builds. If I happen to be the one tunneled that match I try my best to keep them distracted as long as possible. I'll play 30+ more games that day so getting tunneled a few times isn't going to make me demand tunneling cease? That being said I still try to juggle the survivors and make sure everyone gets game time but don't expect to gen rush and me just let that happen? That's just silly. 🤦🏼♀️
if u sweat ur butt off tunneling 1 and only 1 survivor alone i consider u to be a vîrgin, this game is non-competetive, take ur loss like a man and move on … 1 kill at the end wont prevent ur depip or push ur ego anyway.
i think chases are fun, i love getting tunneled but at the same time if i get tunneled i cant do other categories which is the main argument about all this.
tunneling sux cuz u cant get Objective, altruism or survival points causing u to depip or " lose " in terms of BP/Items/pips.
this goes for camping as well " if im here at a hook getting facecamped i cant get other points "
if BHVR would give me partial points for being the evader i would gladly get tunneled but it doesnt as of now.
hitting some1 off hook before he can even move is just taking advantage of a flawed mechanic within the game and the survivor had no chance to do anything.
Honestly, I stop playing this game for days at a time bc when I get a lobby I get tunneled, face camped, or slugged until I bleed out almost every time (and I'm talking like situations where the killed doesn't need the pressure where like ruin is up and there are still 4 gens to go or smth). Why would I want to play under those conditions? I don't mind losing, but I would like to actually PLAY which doesn't seem like a big ask in a video game…..I actually end up more mad at my teammates. Solo q is seriously IMPOSSIBLE.
The amount of games I end up losing as killer because I try to give everybody a fun game, it's taken me too long to realise that the majority of survivors never offer the same consideration in return. It's so disheartening to be met by teabagging/flashlight clicking/"GG EZ". Especially after a game I could have quite easily polished off, but instead elected to give them a chance to reset and get some more points. I don't expect anything from these types of survivors, but I don't understand why the feel the urge to be so mean.
As someone who reached rank 1 as killer and survivor, I can ruin the game of any survivor I desire. There is nothing they can do because I already understand how BT and DS works. The only thing that fools me is if someone without BT runs at me to bait a hit. They will survive another 12 seconds but ultimately will die. I will never watch a streamer who tunnels, it's not equivalent to survivors because no matter how good a survivor does, I always score +25K blood points as killer while as survivor I could score less than 8k… because of bad rescues and a killer who wants to end me. Also as killer, 3 vs 1 is almost impossible to lose so of course tunneling one is viable but in return you are ruining the game for someone else. I guess it depends on the type of person you are and if you care about other people's experiences in the game.
I selectively “tunnel” depending on what’s going on in the game. Tunneling is a viable tactic at times, and is a waste of the killers time at others.
I appreciate this video and your point of view. I play mostly survivor and sometimes I do feel tunneled. Its good to keep the other point of view in mind. When I do play killer sometimes I keep finding the same survivor and worry they might think I am tunneling. In that case whether I continue or let them go is dependent on how toxic the game (or previous few games) have been.
I think it depends on the situation. I dislike getting tunneled to death, but I've been watching streamers I like play Killer and it's opened my eyes a little. If there's 5 or 4 gens then I think tunneling is unnecessary. When it's 3 gens or less, I can see why the tunneling happens. The Killer wants to win so they need to get Survivors out of the match. I think they gotta do what they gotta do so it doesn't bother me then.
I've actually had matches where I was in the game less than two minutes and died. In one particular match, this Meg kept unhooking me in front of the Killer so I was hooked three times in a row and died. I didn't get to play the match at all. I was honestly really irritated by that. I was mostly irritated at the Meg. I don't know if she was working with the Killer or just being an asshole or if she didn't realize she was killing me. I'm stuck at low ranks, so I do play with new people pretty often.
I play Killer very rarely, but when I do – I try not to camp and tunnel. Unless someone has been a pain in the ass that match, then I let people get saved and heal and play. I'm not focused on winning, though. I play the game very casually and I just play to have fun. I don't care if I win or lose.
I've had Killers spare me when they could have easily gotten rid of me. They did kill me later, but it's really nice of them to let me play a bit longer xD
I always use Borrowed Time. Sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn't. If the Killer really wants to tunnel, Borrowed Time and Decisive Strike mean nothing.
I don't like tunneling because I'm ass at the game. I'm sitting at rank 18, and if I get hooked, then immediately chased once off hook twice, and die 4 minutes into the game, just to have to wait 10 minutes to find a lobby, the game is not worth playing.
love this video
As someone who plays both killer and survivor about equally, I say it had the potential to be toxic, but that's not the killer's fault, always.
For example: survivors are absolutely flying through gens? Tunneling is viable.
You're already winning as killer (decent pressure, low gens done or multiple survivorw already injured, and you purposefully go after the person just saved from the hook when you could have went for the savior? That feels toxic.
Survivor just got saved and hides and the killer loses track of everyone and just happens to find you because you weren't hiding well or just through luck? That's just part of the game.
Also, it isn't the killer's fault the pip system is god awful. The killer is essentially incentivized to play aggressively and kill people off asap.
The objectives of both sides happen to run counter to what is considered to be fun by most. That's not either side's fault, that's the game design.
As a casual player of both sides (I enjoy the hunt as a killer a lot, however) I'll go out of my way as killer to avoid any perception of tunneling, unless survivors BM me.
If I get BM'd, all bets are off if winning the match for a challenge/daily is my goal.
If winning doesn't matter, I'll usually focus on only the one(s) who BM'd, unless I get a 'whiff of SWF' and can (for my own justification) link other survivors to the one who fouled, then they are all game.
In most cases, if during a chase pathing leads me back to someone I just unhooked, I'll look right at them and nod while still chasing the other survivor, so they KNOW I could have gone after them, but am making a conscious decision to not. In most cases, I'm playing Huntress so they hopefully appreciate my kind heart not sending a hatch their way. 🙂
If they're chill, I'm chill!
The hunt and chase for me, are the most enjoyable parts of the game, I don't care about winning that's not how I have fun; never has been and I've been gaming for a long time.
That puts me at odds with teammates sometimes, but hey….it's a game, I'm playing to have fun. 🙂
the problem is with the ranking system, if you get tunneled the entire game you might not even safety pip, but the killer is going to at least safety
Tbh I don't think tunneling is as big of a problem as people make it out to be. People cry when killers tunnel but radio silence when they don't so the minority are loudest.
On the occasion that the killer does tunnel then I look at it this way. My team made that happen, they should have just pressured gens or waited until there was enough distance for me to actually get somewhere
Tunneling is frustrating , but i hate face camping more especially if the game just started and get immediately downed , then i die without even really getting to play that match. Its also annoying because as a killer they aren’t growing and learning to play just down a guy, face camp them to death, and end the game with at least one kill maybe two or three depending on perks but it isnt a fun way to play. Its almost reminiscent of camping in a shooter, sure you’re getting kills but you just sit there the whole time , not very fun for me imo
Everyone who's played this game for any period of time knows there's a time and place for anything and everything in this game. But it is undeniably shitty to use that tactic early on. I consider it just as cowardly as someone who just Urban evades around the map the whole game not taking one ounce of agro for their team and just generally being a muppet. And to just say oh run BT or DS is kind of the problem. Isn't everyone tired of killers and survivors running the same tired build all the time?
I think this gets the wrong end of the stick on some things – both killers and survivors are relying on each others' presence for their own fun. Both need each other to play the game at all, so in that sense you cannot help but be "responsible" for each others' fun. In the other sense of "responsible", you mention the fact that there is no code of conduct beyond what is decided by the community – but this is not a good thing, it is a shortcoming of videogames as opposed to real-life games/sports, which are usually played either with friends, or have some kind of referee/judge, both of which (friends/referees) stop people from playing unsportingly.
Asymmetrical games have an ever harder time with people being unsportsmanlike, because the two sides can't always be unsporting in equal ways. In DBD, if the survivors are ignoring the killer's fun, the killer can have a very, very difficult game. If the killer is ignoring the survivor's fun, the survivors (well, 1 or 2) often just barely get to even play the game. Survivors can't do anything to make it so the killer barely gets to play.
For the record I mostly play huntress, not a survivor main.
When I play killer, I literally everytime do not tunnel, I mean it's so boring tunnelling and I feel like the entity will be displeased by such a boring match. The entity needs hope people, it feeds on hope and we need to feed it by survivors` hope to escape but will still die.
Plus, it wastes DS, BT and makes it fun for all. Of course if survivor is lucky enough to be found again, I hunt them like no tomorrow.
I kinda give them the chance to run away for a few seconds but if we cross path again and I'm not in a chase, i will follow that unhooked survivor lol.
But at the end of the day, we just play how we want. Before I hate face camping bubbas, but later on I just matured and suck it if you died near basement or after all gens were done lol.
Had a scenario similar to the end bit that I was involved in recently.
Playing as Doc I hooked a Quentin, and a Bill saved him. After hunting down Bill and hooking him instead, I popped a static blast as I was heading towards where I thought his team was.
Ran right back into Quentin, as he was going for the save, and downed him. After tossing him on a hook nearby, I turn to once again to run face first into a survivor going for a save.
Slugging her, and Bill not having much time left, I monitored the hooks to make sure Bill died, and that her friend couldn't get up. Right after Bill passed, I go for the hook. She biffs the flashlight save, I knock her down, and get a hearty DC.
As far I'm concerned, I just capitalized on some really poor teamwork. Still got crapped on in the post game chat.
I was in this situation as a killer 4:57–5:13 and that did piss me off. I decided to chase another player and the same thing happened to me with another survivor. I straight up left. I’m
Not dealing with that. Having two survivors run that?? That’s hell
Watched it. Loved it. Keep up the sick work mate!
"There are no rules or code of conduct other than what the community has fictonally created" no truer words have been spoken!
If ur not a camper you cant tunnel. Easy
I dont understand why people moan at tunneling? I'm a survivor main and I dont care, love being chased and getting away just to heal. Sometimes you do get away sometimes you get nailed. The killer is supposed to kill us at all costs…not cut them some slack?
A double bladed sword…. I Play Surviver and sometimes Killer (I think each Surviver needs to play once as killer in order to learn the mechanics better. It helped me at least to get more intel on how the mechanics work and how the killer works. It gave me a way better understanding.) As for tunneling… i have nothing against cool strats and tactics. Everyone can play how they like, but it stops when someone is going completely out of their way to bust someone to the extent that they are throwing the game / match.
Another thing that you maybe wanna discuss is the Camping. Lately i have seen many killers either camp the hooked ones or literally facecamping. That is real toxic behavior, cause it is absolutely no fun having a killer who facecamps and afterwards just laughing their bells off and saying EZ. Camping is no fun at all.
I have always said that both sides need to consider the person on the other side. It is equally as rude for a team of survivors to absolutely demolish gens and not give the killer a chance for chase or hooks, as it is for a killer to tunnel a survivor who has likely waited 10 minutes to get into a game. Killers do have to realize that the hooked survivor can't control what the other survivors do (meaning usually the excuse is: they unhooked you in my face, what was I supposed to do?), while the killer doesn't have a teammate that is messing the game up for them.
Spooky, you made the comment that survivors have the choice to use BT and DS, but how do you make your teammate have BT? Sure you can have DS, but what if you're new to the game (or bad at the game) and don't know how to loop a killer, so all you do is get downed and hooked continuously until you die? If the response to that is: it will make you learn how to loop…Yes, but what if that person just leaves the game forever. Our goal as killer or survivor shouldn't be to make the other person's game so bad that they decide DbD isn't worth playing (believe me I have MANY friends who won't play because of how horrible the other side makes the game for them).
If killers have to hold back to give survivors a chance out of generosity they clearly need to do something about tunneling. DS is honestly almost useless for the most part now since basically anything will deactivate it(i dont run it in my builds), but I also do agree like as of right now since there is no penalty for doing tunneling like what can you do? If that’s how the killer chooses to play you have to accept it and move on. But maybe there should be an automatic borrowed time when you’re unhooked only if there is less than 3 gens done. I had a game where I was unhooked without borrowed at the start of the game and tunneled and downed again immediately still at 5 gens not to mention how unreliable dead hard is right now. But I also just did pretty bad at looping that game as well, so there is just many factors to consider. I know I could have maybe done a bit better.
So it was said people forget that they are paying against a real person but is that not kind of the same thing as saying "I don't care if you're not having fun because I am and it is just a game"? I understand people message messed up comments and that is a different level no one should have to deal with however, the people i go against determines if I have fun playing dbd that day. I don't care if I die but I just like playing the game more than just being on the ground until I bleed out or chilling on a hook. It is not all the killers fault either because I have played a lot of games where my teammates just shut on a generator and let me die on hook or bleed out. I said all of this because if you tunnel at 5 gens it means that the team was already not very good and you are just taking advantage of the shitty dbd matchmaking to pubstomp people.
I'm a Survivor main, I've played killer maybe 2 times? Anything other then glitch exploits or straight up hacking is fair play. Even if you have one bad round it's like 10 minutes. If you let 10 minutes ruin your whole day, you're the asshole
if you’re good at the game, tunneling isn’t that big of a problem
Well if I play killer and you are gonna drop a pallet on me and then use your flashlight instead of running away several times and then proceed to crouch in front of the hook while I am trying to hook someone else, yeah I am gonna "tunnel" you.