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I think we are a point now, where we can all agree, the rule book is infinite, stop worry about it and just play the game. I think the challenges that he does are fun sure, but they are pointless. I understand the idea is to smash survivors even with the idea of not tunneling and camping etc looks good and feels good, but its just playing the odds at that point, same with Adepts.
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A group of up to four survivors must elude one killer. The survivors’ perspectives are third-person, while the killer’s perspective is first-person. The survivors cannot fight against the killer and can only survive by running away and evading them. They must use obstacles in the form of wooden pallets, windows, and items that they either find inside chests or bring before the match starts to run from the killer for as long as they can. In order to escape, survivors must repair 5 generators scattered across the entire map to power the exit gates, then they must open the exit gates and leave the area themselves or find a hatch to jump into.
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No I disagree with this take, I saw another comment that matches my definition of tunneling. As someone who’s devotion 5 and 70% of my games are survivor sided. I don’t feel like this is tunneling, I feel like for it to be a tunnel there had to have been no action completed in between when the survivor is unhooked and the survivor is downed again, as in, No downs, No heals, No gens completed, No totems cleansed, No chests opened and No chase started with said survivor or relating to other survivors
DOES IT MATTER? … no, kill people, done.
Haven't played this game in months. I see nothing missed. Glad you're still powering through.
I guess there's "variations" on "tunneling." As a survivor main I tell survivor to just get better in chase and expect that when you boot up dbd, tunneling, camping and slugging is likely to happen. Tunneling is mostly to go after the weakest survivor (fresh off hook or not), to get more bp to tunnel out the obsession and or some just want a certain survivor out the game. Either way, if you're good in chases for the most part, tunneling isn't an issue. Killers will do it and it can really help them in their strategy to control the match considering most survivors are overly altruistic in helping their teammates from tunneling killer (keeping them off gens). Great video btw
I wouldn’t say it’s tunnelling, it’s just unfortunate positioning.
It makes sense for SNK to go for David after the unhook for MYC value, then 3 chases and 2 gens later, he runs into David again and goes for the kill because he’s death hook.
That isn’t tunnelling, if he went looking for David straight after the 2nd unhook then it would be, but with everything that happened between 2nd hook and 3rd hook, the time frame is too long for a tunnel
I said on SpookNJuke's video and I'll say it here. I agree with the dev's Indirect definition of tunneling. The changes to Decisive Strike make a clear indication of what they perceive tunneling to be and I think their definition is accurate.
If you feel comfortable enough to heal or work on a gen, you're not being tunneled. Keep in mind, this isn't black and white. Sometimes you don't realize you're being tunneled and sometimes survivors will weaponize their DS, these situations are beyond the norm or the ideal use of Decisive Strike, but in the majority of cases, if you feel comfortable enough to heal or work on a generator, you're not being tunneled.
David was healed each time off a hook AND he was working on a generator at the end. There was no tunnel here, even if SpookNJuke decided to go for David at the end. The speed in which gens can get done and the level of competency among some other survivors can make certain players FEEL like they're being targeted since they're one of, if not the only, survivors to be hooked in their respective game, however, this is not the case. Clearly, each survivor in this match was targeted for chase individually, however, killers have to make certain choices to retain relevancy in these matches and spending too much time one a single survivor leads to an early loss, everyone knows this and even killers who respect the survivor rulebook have to make choices to drop chases.
So I suppose, in conclusion, survivors, like David, who complain about being tunneled are actually survivors who are in an area of the MMR where they don't belong, only having gotten there due to being carried. Since they're the only one(s) being captured while their teammates run the killer for days. Which creates the illusion that they're being targeted when really the killer has attempted to capture each of them.
Then there are survivors who actually get tunneled, I pray for those poor lost souls.
I don't count that as a tunnel
I got told I was tunneling for using make your choice and teleporting back to the hook (playing Sadako) and I would chase the person who was exposed lol
You're a survivor, your job is to do gens and escape. I'm a killer, my job is to catch you and kill you. You do your job, I do mine. Period.
1st of all it really doesn't matter. 2nd he absolutely did tunnel at the end. Not that I care but yeah he did Tunnel at the end.
First spook is a drama queen. When the game came out, it was a mess. Great Survivors could stay since no end game back then. So they could hold the killers hostage. Hooks didn't respawn, few patches and dlc. And killers got buffed, since more people played Suvivors hence the rulebook. It doesn't apply anymore. It's just an excuse.
He did not tunnel at all bro what are you talking about if we go by you killer should 12 hook each time its not survivor book its guy like you who is telling everyone it was tunneling even though its not dislike and report for you
I’m kind of over the tunneling arguments. If a killer tunnels you just move onto the next game or change your build to an anti-tunneling build. Or get better with chases so that by the time the killer even tries to tunnel you, the generators are nearly completed. I’ve had numerous face camping bubbas and I used to get so annoyed with killers who did that, until I learned to just have fun with it. And honestly, the chaos is pretty entertaining lol.
Rule# 24 killer is not allowed to move for the first 9 minutes
Hey keep up the videos! You are the only DBD youtuber i watch, big ups Jay keep the content coming.
Also the rule book was broken because he didn’t hook everyone before putting a second on hook, and he didn’t 8 hook before killing someone
I know this’ll sound really dumb but they should make it where when you unhook a survivor then the hooked survivor teleports somewhere away from the killer just so that people stop complaining about tunneling. Also for gen rushing I think they should prevent survivors from spawning right next to gens lol. I think that might help. Every time I play survivor I spawn next to a gen every time
"To be fair, if you're following the survivor rule book, you should have let them all escape" hahaha
Its idiotic people take this game like its fucking reality, it makes 0 sense
Well everyone needs to get better at hockey I guess.
I love you dude!!! Good video!!
My perspective is that in every game the main objective is to have fun, which usually includes trying to win. It's not your responsibility to go out of your way to make it fun for your competitors and adhere to some made up rules. As long as you're not actively cheating or exploiting the game, anything else goes. I don't personally find tunneling to be a fun strategy, but I can't speak for everyone.
I was debating on coming back to DBD after a year break…after watching this video I see the community and game as a whole hasn't changed in the slightest so ill wait another year.
I would say ManFaceJay understands it, but to clarify. Spooks is kind of doing a meme thing, The video was kind of more of a joke as it got kind of entertaining on their twitch chat as to what was and was not tunneling, but that it's caused so many to sit down and be like "Wait a minute" should show how disingenuous the idea and notion of a survivor rulebook even is.. Because it can literally be changed to suit whatever definition that the survivor holding it desires.
So to that respect, yes. It's entirely Tunneling. And for the sake of his continued meme run, I'd say to classify it as a foul. When you're doing joke/meme/challenge stuff. You should always take it to the most extreme of extremes for the sake of entertainment.. Well.. to within reason.
However, most that I see are saying "Just play how you want to play." You're right. You shouldn't care about what others think or want you to do. Play how you want to play, but in this instance Spooks was wanting to know for his self imposed challenge.
This is in no way tunneling. Not even close. David was hooked first then healed. Another person was chased and hooked after, he went back to David (who again was healed) since he was running MYC. After being hooked the 2nd time he then healed again and worked on gens (This is why you lose DS if you touch a gen).
At the end of the game after 3 other chases and last 2 gens completed he happened to run into David. There was no tunnel vision, and if you have time to heal, work on gens, do totems, chests, etc. you are NOT being tunneled. Just another survivor excuse for losing.
never follow unwritten rules in a video game
This is how I feel, tunneling is basically seeking a specific person out of other options to kill. Regardless of hooks or anything when the goal is to get a specific person is tunneling I guess by definition right? Is there anything wrong with it? Absolutely not! I feel like there is just so little survivors like myself that don’t play the game just to survive, like I love being chased and all that jazz but I’m okay when I die, just move on!
Anyways love the videos man, keep it up!
Mate love the videos! But, please pause when him when you speak. I literally can't hear a word either of you say when you talk over him lol
I just don’t really like how if it doesn’t directly involve him in some sort of way being attacked he thinks cheating is funny. Not my favorite streamer, I follow him but not my favorite. I mean it’s puzzling to me how is it funny to look for cheaters. I don’t get it.
Who made this rule ?? Why is there even a rule the hell? Play free you bought the game to play for what it is for… you didn't buy it to listen to some dumb rule
I've just found your channel ManfacedJay and im really enjoying your content and you seem like a solid dude, but when you're critiquing people on your channel and adding your commentary over there's at the same volume and not pausing, you're just talking over eachother and i struggle to understand either of you.
It’s mind blowing that people even complain at all really. Wow you lost a game quicker than others, who cares?Press that button on your controller and play again in 5 mins. That simple
If camping and tunneling weren't legitimate strats and parts of the game they wouldn't have made perks like Insidious, and make your choice. Also knowing these are strats are why perks like Kindred, and Decisive Strike exist as tools to counter the camping and tunneling. Not every strat works for every player and every play has a counter play. Everyone just needs to stop being entitled little babies.
Warzone has camping dbd has tunneling, jst excuses, babies crying
Survivor rule book? Huh?
If I'm playing killer I'm out to get you, one way or another. I could care less about a survivor's enjoyment if it disregards my own.
I'm playing to have fun, not the other way around. God, the DBD community specially survivor mains are such a laughing stock…
The argument is so stupid. It's a video game at the end of the day but the argument is stupid. The purpose of the killer is to kill people and people complaining about tunneling are pretty much saying you can't kill someone or you can't kill them yet. It's so dumb that argument. The game should of been changed long ago to "let me live by daylight".
Personally I don't see it as tunneling if you're healed and can complete a gen before you're chased again then it's not tunneling, especially if the killer tries to go for other people.
The whole Survivor rulebook on how Killers should play is so stupid. The game allows tunneling to be possible. The game also gives opportunity for survivors to cover for the weakest link. The worst part is bitching at the killer for how the killer plays when the direct complaint should be the game devs themselves. Reminds me back in Counter-Strike days when people complain about AWP.
I dont think thats the definition of tunneling, tunneling is going for someone right after they are hooked and ignoring others trying to help/take hits. thats just my opinion though