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I did not get distracted by the tail shot at 2:00 I swear
You can kinda tell but it requires some objective observation do you win alot? Has your match time average gone from between 7 and 10 minutes to 3 to 5 minutes? Congrats you're in high mmr it happens pretty quickly too goes from 4 hooks before one Gen is done to one super fast chase and 3 gens done you can go on twitch and see "high mmr" or "top mmr" streamers are usually full of shit braindead survivors that don't do gens killers who hard commit to a chase for 5 gens then you go and watch someone like otz or true and you see gens getting done a lightning speed both of them running into literal comp players it's really easy to tell if you aren't a strong killer matches become miserable camping and tunneling to maybe get one kill only winning if survivors decide to throw the match this happens even worse for killer one tricks if you only play one killer that killers mmr will skyrocket as opposed to playing the whole roster and only climbing a little bit each match TLDR as killer you know you're in high mmr when you play the match perfectly and still lose. as survivor you know you're in high mmr when teammates are consistently doing gens
Given that there isn't any real matchmaking above the soft cap and the soft cap is so easy to hit. Technically, everyone is top MMR.
My issue with MMR and this idea of top MMR is since no one can see it it can be used to invalidate anything you say.
"Oh well if you were playing in my mmr you wouldn't think that"
There is no defense even if of you prove you win a lot the response is something like "well match making isn't working right"
If I'm winning 90% of my matches I'm most likely high mmr but i can't prove it so im not going to say it.
Edits my phone sucks…
One twitch streamer comes to mind
and this MMR thing is one of the reasons I stopped watching him …
"Top mmr gameplay"
All we know, they could've forcefully lost the past 10 games to lower their mmr.
You can usually tell how good and coordinated survivors are just from watching the match.
– Are they moving efficiency, looking behind them, prerunning, greeding pallets / pallet vacuuming / predropping?
– Can they dodge the killer's power effectively?
– Do they know the good loops on the map and how to run them?
– Are survivor glued to gens and healing quickly?
– Do they use perks like Reassurance, Decisive Strike, & Dead Hard that are popular at high skill levels but not so much in the average mach?
At high MMR you face a lot of skilled survivors. So if you keep facing great survivors, a reasonable assumption is that your MMR is high.
You can never know for sure, but I think that's a reasonable guess.
I don't think its a pet peeve. I believe a lot of DbD streamers & YouTubers lie about their hours and skill. Like, you say that the hours clocked in is a good way to gauge someone's experience with the game. However, when you think about how often someone might be doing something like reading the in-game lore, shuffling through Tomes, browsing the store, mixing and matching loadouts, waiting on friends, taking time to just talk with chat, or sometimes simply walking away to go do something else like go to the bathroom, make food, or whatever while leaving the game on, I believe the game time isn't as big as we are told. I know it only shaves off a fraction of the game time, but still. There is a lot of elitism when it comes to both MMR and hours clocked in.
Another thing to consider, is that it is almost impossible for a survivor streamer to reach top MMR.
To be top MMR survivor, you essentially need to be in a 3-4 man SWF, where everyone is good (no weak link) and you coordinate effectively. Otherwise you keep losing against good killers because of bad/selfish teammates, and lack of communication.
The issue is that it's really hard for someone consistent play with a good SWF, and still stream on a regular schedule and interact with the chat. That's why most streamers typically do soloq when playing survivor, or play with an open lobby from their channel without voice coms.
The latest example of survivor streamers reaching high MMR is the hardcore survivor challenge of Otz, Hens, Ayrun, & JRM. They were 100% focused on the game itself, and basically ignored chat to focus on communicating information and strategy. Even though it started off easy due to their new accounts, eventually they reached the point where they kept going against extremely good killers, and they got trashed often.
Top MMR is pretty pointless since if queue times are longer you get more people in your game from other MMR brackets. There's also people swfing with lower ranked friends, etc. Each match is unique and can swing pretty hard either way based on map RNG, your killer/perks, their items/perks, swf or solo, etc. For example I have 4k hours and when I play Nurse I can easily win 95% of games with 3k+hatch or 4k. I am top MMR but I routinely go against people with 1-2k hours max or even newbies. Very rarely do I get bodied by an actual high MMR swf that knows what they're doing.
The reverse is true for a comp swf. They will destroy 95% of killers since even though they're top MMR, not every killer they get will be a top MMR sweaty Nurse. Might be a midrange leatherface doing adept or something.
If you are out there winning 99% of your games, and playing for 500+ games.. You're top MMR.
Just, mathematically, it's borderline impossible NOT to be at that point just because of how the system works.
That said: As someone else pointed out here, the higher you are in MMR, the less opponents at your MMR there are, the more likely you are to be matched with people below your MMR.
So even if you are "top MMR"… most of your games are not "fair" matches by any stretch.
It's a big reason I STOPPED playing to win. When I win 741 games to 5 losses, there's absolutely zero doubt that my MMR was as high as it's going to be able to go in the system. (Which according to hackers is only 2500 in the first place….) But your matches are still so unbalanced that you are only getting a "close" game that is remotely at your actual skill level every like, 150 games.
So who cares if you are "top MMR"….. you're only actually FACING top MMR survivors in like 0.75% of your games.
At that point, how is it even impressive anymore?
the 'Top MMR' is either a complete joke (for the ha ha's) or delusion. I know an ex-fog whisperer who thinks they ARE the best in the world, that they only get the strongest survivors available and that killers HAVE to camp and tunnel to win (they literally thought the hook grab removal was gonna be the final nail in the coffin for killer). They've made claims that other 'killer main streamers' who get 4k's without camping and tunneling are just played against people who freshly installed the game
I mean, as you said, if someone wins consistently the vast majority of their games they can safely assume they are high mmr. Even better, if you win slightly more than you lose you will get there at some point, since past the soft cap you are protected from loss of mmr. So, even if it s not a number you can check, it is also most likely not a lie. Now, the fact that at high mmr all you encounter are quality opponents, THAT is a lie.
I agree, but it’s a safe assumption you’re high MMR if you’re on a 200+ win streak or something like that. I wish they’d just show the number tho. It would be hilarious if some people weren’t high MMR.
I reckon the reason MMR is not shown to people is precisely to preserve an illusion of "competence" certain players have. If someone gets clapped, for example, it's easier for them to rationalize the loss away by saying it's because they play "top MMR," or that they're facing opponents with a higher MMR. If everyone's cold hard MMR ratings were shown, in the worst case they'd be forced to admit they're just not that good, or that their average performance according to the game is actually mediocre. In a way, it's one tool to keep average people playing by encouraging them to estimate their position on the MMR scale, assuming most of us will overestimate ourselves to feel better.
I just dislike any who claims and brags about being top mmr, because they get an ego boost and talk down on others when you can't really prove it or talk down on others' opinions especially when you don't know ur exact mmr. Like when I commented on someone's tweet named "Wispy" and disagreed with em when he said Background player is a problem and I said it's not and gave my reasoning, I got the hounds on me because apparently he's the #1 NA player in dbd and since he was supposedly all that, people dogged piled on me and disregarded my opinion because supposedly his holds more merit for supposedly being in high mmr than me, even tho I sunk a good chunk of hours in dbd killer for almost 2 years now, and with how much I play now, we can essentially be in the same bracket of mmr. shit maybe I'm yapping and don't know what I'm saying but "Top mmr" is such an ego booster for players, doesn't make u better or more knowledgeable, as for killers I'm pretty sure we just gotta get 4ks majority of the times or possibly consistently and you it's not hard to do that as killer and u don't gotta be a god tier player to do so, you can just play normally or like most play like a douche sometimes lol
Many content creators probably know their mmr cuz cheaters can see it and write it in chat or pm.
But thats just an assumption, most yt title are obviously irony/clickbait regardless